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 Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 2:03 pm
Okay, so some people in our college discussion decided that Muhammad was a sham because he could not read or write. Which they do not know. The reason they are saying this is because Allah told him to recite, so he did.Quote: Muhammad was who the Islamic people looked up to but in many opinions he was a sham because he couldn't read and memorized the messages he was suppose to deliver to the people. They had alot of faith and it shows in aalot of ways Quote: Hey Kalbreanna I agree with you to me he was a sham as well. I don't understand how you can have someone to look up to you and you can't even read the Quran for yourself how are you going to tell people what it says or even give them a message about it. I know that to me when God speaks it not something that you can memorize and deliver to people in a message, but you can take notes. But if you can't read and study for yourself then what. Just makes me wonder why did they look up to him so much. Quote: I do not find it offensive by calling him a sham. It does make you wonder what really did happen though. If it was just memorized notes passed down, where and when did a piece of it change? It is just like the game telephone. You start at the beginning with one thing and by the time you get to the end you have something completely different. With the Bible, how do we really know what is right and wrong? If I wrote a book declaring I was the new God and everyone looked up to me and worshiped me, would someone in 10,000 years believe it? Would they believe everything I wrote and pray to me every night?
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 2:04 pm
Meanwhile, another classmate and I are like "What the hell? You people are stupid and disrespectful!"
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 4:27 pm
I'm confused by your post. It's true that Muhammed couldn't read or write. Quote: "I don't understand how you can have someone to look up to you and you can't even read the Quran for yourself how are you going to tell people what it says or even give them a message about it" The Qur'an itself was the message. God sent Gabriel to earth who would tell Muhammad a very short revelation from God. Then Muhammad would tell the people. They would wright it down on anything that was present, and then memorize it. The Qur'an was reveal bit by bit over his entire life, and then it was compiled into the book we have today. So he wouldn't have had to read the Qur'an anyways because it was still being revealed bit by bit and he memorized it as it came. Quote: "where and when did a piece of it change?" It didn't change. We still have very old manuscripts and it's identical. Quote: "It is just like the game telephone." It's not like that because it was written down.
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 4:37 pm
Those people sound confused. Why would not being able to read or write take away from the divine experience of a person? What they should be saying is that they think the Qur'an is a sham because it wasn't written by Muhammed, the person who experienced.
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 5:08 pm
Yeah what the ******** does having to write have to do with his experience and revelations? I mean most religions don't start of as book ya know and the "books" take a while to appear. Hell Mark, the earliest Gospel has a dating of 65 CE at the earliest. That's about 30+ years after Jesus died.
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:40 pm
I honestly dont believe Muhammad is a sham. I used to be skeptical of him, but after reading about his life and pre-Islam Arabia to after the changes he made after his revelation, it amazed me and he's now my favorite person.
He was illiterate, but he did recieve revelations for like 20 years which were copied down by his closest companions word for word, and were compiled together by his dearest friend, Abu Bakr.
I trust the Authenticity of the Qur'an, I do not trust the authenticity of the Hadiths (compiled sayings of Muhammad) Those were compiled AFTER he died. Not to mention contradictory at times. And this is what Shariah law is mainly based on.
Also, the replies on this thread made me happy. I'm glad to see people keeping an open mind.
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Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:28 am
rmcdra Yeah what the ******** does having to write have to do with his experience and revelations? I mean most religions don't start of as book ya know and the "books" take a while to appear. Hell Mark, the earliest Gospel has a dating of 65 CE at the earliest. That's about 30+ years after Jesus died.
Some moron even said something about when they talk to their god. The second quote, they said it's not something they could remember without writing... Um... Then it's probably not your god. Because if I had a god visit me and tell me something I would make damn sure I remembered it.
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Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:51 am
Aakosir Being illiterate has nothing to do with it... These people are confused morons. But I obviously missed the part that said he was illiterate. xp But I know enough to say that he was the chosen one (I sound like Mr. Smith here...) but seriously. He was the one who was told, "You will memorize and recite what I tell you". Obviously they are. Quote: Some moron even said something about when they talk to their god. The second quote, they said it's not something they could remember without writing... Um... Then it's probably not your god. Because if I had a god visit me and tell me something I would make damn sure I remembered it. Yeah gnosis is pretty world shattering. It's not something you'd forget. It's pretty damn obvious they don't know what they are talking about.
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Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:39 pm
What does reading or writing have to do with faith? He was a prophet, not a grammar teacher.
If respect is based only in literacy, you'd think they would be more careful about hitting the right keys on the keyboard...
In any case, it sounds like someone has a case of the ethnocentrics. rolleyes
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