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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:44 am
Okay, so I am taking both them, last time I saw my doctor was like back in august. When i saw her she said we should get me off paxil soon, since it's been almost two years now. Now, thing is I tried getting a hold of my doctor but, it's usually she is not there or it's too late. I hate my medication my paxil isn't even helping anymore it just makes my life worse now. I tried getting off it but, I can't seem to do it.
My anxiety is coming back and I am so just aggravated. I realized it's screwing up my thought process now and it's like a addiction now.
I don't feel comfortable in my own skin, it's made me gain weight. It helped like long ago but, it's just putting me through hell right now.
I don't know what to do, I feel like my psychiatrist kinda doesn't give a damn. Since, every time I seem to have problems with my medication she wants to raise the dosage. I am referring mostly to trazodone right now.
I have paxil for depression obviously and Trazodone for sleep. But, none of it is helping anymore. Trazodone isn't that bad but, when combine with paxil I feel SO ******** up. I try to take less dosages of trazodone. I tried taking lower dosages of paxil. But, after awhile of taking lower dosage of both them I need to take what I originally took or I just go insane. I missed a appointment while back when I had a job and seems like ever since then my doctor has been avoiding me.
I just feel like s**t and wanna be myself again. Gah, how the ******** am I supposed to get off this stupid Paxil. My doctor when she did talk to her months back she said start taking lower dosages but, it's not working! I went from 20 mg to 10 mg on paxil lasted about 4 days till I just couldn't take it anymore.
God damn I would rather be addicted to ******** meth then this s**t. Sounds stupid but, I can't STAND this! I am so shaky too now. I get hot flashes and s**t. I swear never again do I take medication for depression or anything. 2 years and this s**t in the end feels like its ******** me over.
Please tell me there is a way to get off this s**t and get it over with. Or is there at least anyone who has any idea what it's like and understand me?
Sorry for my language in the post and everything to by the way.
Edit: Pretty much main problem is I am on trazodone and paxil and the trazodone is not working and I am trying to adjust my dosage so it works. While I am doing this I need to get off paxil. I don't wanna be on paxil for much longer at all.
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:17 am
Certain medications can give you worse or different side effects if you change the dose, take them too often, don't take them often enough, etc. So it's actually possible that you're making things worse by tweaking your meds without help from a doctor.
So you should probably get in touch with a doctor as soon as possible and before you change your meds too much more. When you call are you leaving a message so the doctor can call you back? Have you tried scheduling an appointment? Is there a different doctor you can see or talk to?
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:02 pm
I was going to suggest seeing another doctor, or going to see one at a walk-in clinic if you didn't have another option. It sounds like you and your doctor aren't able to communicate clearly (not by any fault of yours). Some doctors just like to rely more on medication it seems - there's 1 or 2 doctors in my boyfriend's hometown who are like that too. Paxil, from what I've heard, has a reputation for being really addictive and having a lot of side-effects due to how strong it is. From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PaxilQuote: Many psychoactive medications can cause withdrawal symptoms upon discontinuation from administration. Evidence has shown that paroxetine has among the highest incidence rates and severity of withdrawal syndrome of any medication of its class. Common withdrawal symptoms for paroxetine include nausea, dizziness, lightheadedness and vertigo; insomnia, nightmares and vivid dreams; feelings of electricity in the body, as well as crying and anxiety. Liquid formulation of paroxetine is available and allows a very gradual decrease of the dose, which may prevent discontinuation syndrome. Another recommendation is to temporarily switch to fluoxetine, which has a longer half-life and thus decreases the severity of discontinuation syndrome. In addition, The Lancet published an analysis of World Health Organization data showing SSRIs taken during pregnancy may cause withdrawal symptoms, including convulsions, in newborn children: among "93 suspected cases of SSRI-induced neonatal withdrawal syndrome...64 were associated with paroxetine, 14 with fluoxetine, nine with sertraline, and seven with citalopram." Quote: For 10 years, GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) marketing of the drug stated that it was "not habit forming," which numerous experts and at least one court found to be incorrect. In 2001, the BBC reported the World Health Organization had ranked paroxetine as the most difficult antidepressant to withdraw from. In 2002, the U.S. FDA published a new product warning about the drug, and the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers Associations said GSK had misled the public about paroxetine and breached two of the Federation's codes of practice. The British Medical Journal quoted Charles Medawar, head of Social Audit: "This drug has been promoted for years as safe and easy to discontinue.... The fact that it can cause intolerable withdrawal symptoms of the kind that could lead to dependence is enormously important to patients, doctors, investors, and the company. GlaxoSmithKline has evaded the issue since it was granted a license for paroxetine over 10 years ago, and the drug has become a blockbuster for them, generating about a tenth of their entire revenue. The company has been promoting paroxetine directly to consumers as 'non-habit forming' for far too long." Paroxetine prescribing information posted at GlaxoSmithKline now acknowledges the occurrence of a discontinuation syndrome, including serious discontinuation symptoms. Since the FDA approved paroxetine in 1992, approximately 5,000 U.S. citizens have sued GSK. Most of these people feel they were not sufficiently warned in advance of the drug's side effects—particularly the withdrawal syndrome discussed above, after GSK had specifically advertised the drug as non-habit forming. In 2001, GSK increased its American TV advertising of Paxil after the September 11 attacks; in October 2001, GSK spent nearly twice as much as in October 2000. The difficulty of withdrawal from paroxetine, and GSK's concealment of it, was later reported on ABC. Since 2001 in the UK, lawsuits have been filed representing people who have been prescribed Seroxat. They allege that the drug has serious side effects, which GlaxoSmithKline downplayed in patient information. In early 2004, GSK agreed to settle charges of consumer fraud for $2.5 million (a tiny fraction of the over $2.7 billion in yearly Paxil sales at that time).[81] The legal discovery process also uncovered evidence of deliberate, systematic suppression of unfavorable Paxil research results. One of GSK's internal documents had said, "It would be commercially unacceptable to include a statement that efficacy [in children] had not been demonstrated, as this would undermine the profile of paroxetine"[82]. In June 2004, FDA published a violation letter to GSK in response to a "false or misleading" TV ad for Paxil CR; FDA stated, "This ad is concerning from a public health perspective because it broadens the use of Paxil CR [beyond the conditions it was approved for] while also minimizing the serious risks associated with the drug." GSK claimed the ad had been previously reviewed by FDA, but said the ad would not run again. On January 29, 2007, the BBC broadcast a fourth documentary in its Panorama series about the drug Seroxat. This programme, entitled "Secrets of the Drug Trials", focused on three GSK paediatric clinical trials on depressed children and adolescents. Data from the trials show that Seroxat could not be proven to work for teenagers. Also, one clinical trial indicated that adolescents were six times more likely to become suicidal after taking it. Results from Study 329, one of the trials, were reported in a way which misled readers about paroxetine's safety and efficacy, and contributed to repeated distortions in the assessment of the drug's value in paediatric depression in the scientific literature. The court documents released as a result of one of the lawsuits in October 2008 indicated that GSK "and/or researchers may have suppressed or obscured suicide risk data during clinical trials" of paroxetine. One of the investigators, "Charles Nemeroff, former chairman of the Department of Psychiatry at Emory University, was the first big name 'outed' ...In early October 2008, Nemeroff stepped down as department chair amid revelations that he had received over $960,000 from GSK in 2006, yet reported less than $35,000 to the school. Subsequent investigations revealed payments totaling more than $2.5 million from drug companies between 2000 and 2006, yet only a fraction was disclosed." The suppression of unfavorable research findings on Paxil by GSK — and the legal discovery process that uncovered it — is the subject of Alison Bass's 2008 book Side Effects: A Prosecutor, a Whistleblower, and a Bestselling Antidepressant on Trial. And from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TrazodoneQuote: While trazodone is not a true member of the SSRI class of antidepressants, it does still share many properties of the SSRIs, especially the possibility of discontinuation syndrome if the medication is stopped too quickly.[40] Care must therefore be taken when coming off the medication, usually by a gradual process of tapering down the dose over a period of time. A person who abruptly stops taking trazodone, even in doses as low as 25 mg (common for use as a sleep aid for people with anxiety disorders), may experience adverse mental reactions such as emotional instability, depressed mood, and suicidal thoughts. Although such warnings may be included in printed materials supplied with the drug, physicians prescribing trazodone, particularly those who are not psychiatrists, might not give oral warnings. If you find a new doctor and give them your medical history, perhaps there's another SSRI/medication they can switch you to which might help, but have fewer side-effects?
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:42 am
Hi. Everyone reacts to drugs differently, its usually finding a balance between medication, support and non-medical therapy that is the key to controlling anxiety and depression.
Trazodone as you said is mainly used for people who have depression/anxiety with an insomnia element. Its quite an old drug and is not first choice.
Paxil (Paroxetine) is, to be honest, a crap drug in most situations in my opinion. Its one of the older SSRIs and has more problems than the others. DOn't worry too much though, just be aware that you will feel more rubbish on it that others and changing the doses of it can affect your behaviour.
You really need to see your psychiatrist again, particularly if you've been on them for 8 weeks+. There are other SSRIs that are more effective and better for you. Citalopram and Sertraline are my preferred choice (I'm training to be a doctor and I feel my patients have responded better on these) in addition to something like trazadone or venlefaxine.
If you feel are not getting anywhere with this psych, opt to see another.
Oh, and a very important note, don't just stop taking your meds. You need to gradually reduce the dose weekly, for at least a period of 3-4 weeks. You can get a lot of withdrawal effects and side effects if they aren't tapered like this. Again, for more advice see your psychiatrist or family doctor who can advise you more.
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:44 am
Nikolita Paxil, from what I've heard, has a reputation for being really addictive and having a lot of side-effects due to how strong it is. Nah, Paxil is an old drug that has many side effects if you rapidly change the dose that in the body (by bringing the levels up by starting to take it, or abruptly stopping it)... its not that strong or addictive: its just a crap drug in most situations.
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:09 am
I really don't have any plans of taking any other medication. I took paxil for two years it worked in beginning but, it's just s**t for me now. I am trying to take like half a pill of paxil now it's slightly better. But, still I just never wanna take medication like this again. I never have had a full on addiction to anything before, street or prescription drug till now and it is just awful.
So, as for finding different medication screw it. If I get depressive and crap I will just deal with it myself. Rather then relying on other people/drugs.
Personally, I have spent like 8 years going from therapist to psychiatrist. It always seems to end up with me feeling like s**t. I have had few therapist who helped me when I talked to them. But, medication has not helped me at all in life. I have taken so much crap that, as soon as I can get off this stuff I am done.
This may sound "Amish" but, I seriously, don't think you should take any medication or drug that alters the way you think and feel. No matter what.
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:46 am
Dr Dimari Nikolita Paxil, from what I've heard, has a reputation for being really addictive and having a lot of side-effects due to how strong it is. Nah, Paxil is an old drug that has many side effects if you rapidly change the dose that in the body (by bringing the levels up by starting to take it, or abruptly stopping it)... its not that strong or addictive: its just a crap drug in most situations. Ah ok, thanks for correcting me then. smile Quote: This may sound "Amish" but, I seriously, don't think you should take any medication or drug that alters the way you think and feel. No matter what. I know people who think that way, and there's nothing wrong with it. It can just be really hard to cope if you're having mental health issues and you're not getting extra help, whether it be from medication, counselling, etc. What about weaning yourself off the meds and tapering down the dosage (with approval from a doctor/psychiatrist, of course), and then going to a counsellor/psychologist while you stay med-free?
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:23 pm
Well, after I am completely off the medication I am gonna see how I am. Without withdrawals, because, I have not been technically "drug free" for two years now. So, I don't know what I will be like without them. But, I can't imagine it being any worse then when I was on it.
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:03 pm
Kojima Shiro Well, after I am completely off the medication I am gonna see how I am. Without withdrawals, because, I have not been technically "drug free" for two years now. So, I don't know what I will be like without them. But, I can't imagine it being any worse then when I was on it. Fair enough. smile If your current doctor gives you heck, switch doctors or find another psychiatrist who is willing to listen to you. Keep us posted?
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:08 pm
Okay, by the way I know this isn't the right forum for this but, I am rather bothered by making a thread with every question I have. But, in a relationship there is always those things that bother people easily. For example how many sexual partners they have been with.
I feel myself really getting bothered by this and when I talk to my mom about how I am sexually active, she freaked up but in her freak out said, "Do you even know who she has or is having sex with? Is she clean?" Etc. Now, we talked about her being clean and she is but, she said her first time was with a guy who had chlamydia and she caught it but, was treated and no longer has it. But, it just eats at me thinking was it only that one guy she had sex with?
She says things like "I wish I didn't have sex with him." I don't know if it's true. I never straight up asked her how many sexual partners she has had. Should I? Is it any of my business? I mean it is one those questions that could really upset me if, there is more then what she has already told. But, if I just ignore it won't it keep eating at me?
Anyway, hope you can help.
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:27 pm
Kojima Shiro She says things like "I wish I didn't have sex with him." I don't know if it's true. You should be able to trust your partner. If you honestly think she might be lying about something like whether or not she regrets a past partner, that's not exactly a good sign. Kojima Shiro I never straight up asked her how many sexual partners she has had. Should I? Is it any of my business? I mean it is one those questions that could really upset me if, there is more then what she has already told. But, if I just ignore it won't it keep eating at me? If you are in a relationship with her and are having sex with her, then yes, I think her sexual past is somewhat your business. I mean, I don't think she has to go into great detail or anything. But every time I got into a committed relationship with someone or was even close to getting into a committed relationship, I would talk to the guy about how many people we had been with, whether condoms were used, when we were last tested, etc. I also talked about it with casual partners a couple of times. It's just something that I personally like to know, and I think it's easier to stay safe when you talk about those things a bit. But if you think you'd rather not know quite that many details, that's ok too, especially if you trust her, if you use condoms, if she goes to an ob-gyn regularly, if she was tested, etc. It's really up to you. But you shouldn't get angry or jealous either way. Her past is in the past. She's with you now, and that's what matters.
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:27 am
Kojima Shiro Okay, by the way I know this isn't the right forum for this but, I am rather bothered by making a thread with every question I have. But, in a relationship there is always those things that bother people easily. For example how many sexual partners they have been with.
I feel myself really getting bothered by this and when I talk to my mom about how I am sexually active, she freaked up but in her freak out said, "Do you even know who she has or is having sex with? Is she clean?" Etc. Now, we talked about her being clean and she is but, she said her first time was with a guy who had chlamydia and she caught it but, was treated and no longer has it. But, it just eats at me thinking was it only that one guy she had sex with?
She says things like "I wish I didn't have sex with him." I don't know if it's true. I never straight up asked her how many sexual partners she has had. Should I? Is it any of my business? I mean it is one those questions that could really upset me if, there is more then what she has already told. But, if I just ignore it won't it keep eating at me?
Anyway, hope you can help. I'd say yes and no. How many people she's had sex with in the past shouldn't really matter. As Lorien said, she's with *you* now, so that should be most important. Having had sex with more people doesn't make her "easy" or anything like that; it was her choice. If she regrets having sex with him, as you said, she can look into counselling if the regret is that strong. Or if you doubt her, you can choose to talk to her about it and explore further why she claims she feels that regret. At the same time, it's important you know that she's clean. So if she told you about her bout of chlamydia in the past, that's good that she told you. Like Lorien said, it's important that you know when the other was tested, whether they're clean, whether they used condoms in the past, etc. For example, both my current boyfriend and I know each other's sexual histories. Not all the nitty gritty details, but we know that the other is clean (minus my coldsores, which I didn't get from sex), and we know how many people the other person has slept with. He is not comfortable talking about my sexual past though, whereas as I can mention his and talk about it, and he seems to be more or less ok with it. That's just us though, because we both have relatively small sexual histories.
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 2:07 pm
Yeah I really need to remember it's the past. I asked her how many she said only 2 others before me. Which isn't as bad as I expected which is good.
But yeah I really hate hearing about girls past sexual history especially when I like them. I haven't exactly told her this though she doesn't do it much on occasions she will mention it. So, probably should tell her how I feel about bringing it up. I try to avoid any conversation about ex-girlfriend stuff myself. Which I am good at, I don't have much of sexual history but, I long relationship history.
ANYWAY, okay I am good then. Just gotta be patient see how things flow and not worry so much. As for the medication I finally don't have withdrawals I am taking half tablets of each. Thing that sucks though is I got sick now and have a cold or something. I just can't get a break lol.
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:43 am
Kojima Shiro Yeah I really need to remember it's the past. I asked her how many she said only 2 others before me. Which isn't as bad as I expected which is good.
But yeah I really hate hearing about girls past sexual history especially when I like them. I haven't exactly told her this though she doesn't do it much on occasions she will mention it. So, probably should tell her how I feel about bringing it up. I try to avoid any conversation about ex-girlfriend stuff myself. Which I am good at, I don't have much of sexual history but, I long relationship history.
ANYWAY, okay I am good then. Just gotta be patient see how things flow and not worry so much. As for the medication I finally don't have withdrawals I am taking half tablets of each. Thing that sucks though is I got sick now and have a cold or something. I just can't get a break lol. Glad to hear you don't have withdrawals anymore. Just be careful about self-weaning if you haven't seen a doctor first. And sorry to hear you're sick! You're right, can't catch a break right now. sweatdrop sweatdrop
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