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ammaea
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 12:46 pm


A great site I came across on one of the blogs I follow..

http://joyfullyrejoycing.com/

Really detailed awesome information about unschooling! smile

I am going through different education/learning/schooling options right now as I've got a little one and don't trust in the "public" system to be most beneficial...

Not sure how many in here are also interested in this, but I thought I'd share anyway as it definitely goes along with this guilds purpose. ^^
PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:21 pm


I was 'homeschooled'. It didn't go well. I don't know if public school would have gone much better for my spiritual growth, however.
I believe I am going to let my children go to public schools for 8 hour socialization, as well as the ability to gain college credits. But I will also give them the time to learn things at home as they wish, etc, etc.
It's too bad that you can't form a school the way you'd like to though.
With learning/socializing being pinnacle, gaining college credits later in life, and also the ability to learn what one wishes While using critical thinking, and not putting so much emphasis on 'homework'. Sometimes I feel like schools create as many distractions as it can, in order to leave a child devoid of any time to their self in order to actually Think for their self.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:47 pm


why cant a pool of parents teach a pool of kids instead of confining them to there houses (my flaw in home school)

public school we all agree on its faults.

it takes a village to raise a kid
PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 6:20 pm


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why cant a pool of parents teach a pool of kids instead of confining them to there houses (my flaw in home school)

public school we all agree on its faults.

it takes a village to raise a kid

Some people don't have the structural routine to do that. Or maybe the time, so they expect the kids to just do it by their self. I don't know if it's possible to make a business by yourself saying 'homeschooling, now taking applicants' or would that be the same thing as a private school, really?

Then there's always the problem of having AP class credentials to save up for if your kid wants to go to college or something. The world is unfortunately filled with strict policies on 'creds'. I have a GED now, but it's still as tough as s**t to get a job, because I have no real credentials.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 6:23 pm


Naynram Ukir
Hoshioni
why cant a pool of parents teach a pool of kids instead of confining them to there houses (my flaw in home school)

public school we all agree on its faults.

it takes a village to raise a kid

Some people don't have the structural routine to do that. Or maybe the time, so they expect the kids to just do it by their self. I don't know if it's possible to make a business by yourself saying 'homeschooling, now taking applicants' or would that be the same thing as a private school, really?

Then there's always the problem of having AP class credentials to save up for if your kid wants to go to college or something. The world is unfortunately filled with strict policies on 'creds'. I have a GED now, but it's still as tough as s**t to get a job, because I have no real credentials.
It's hard for anyone to get a job. I have a G.E.D. but i aslo went to college. Don't let the T.V. news fool you we're not in an economical recovery. In fact I'd say we're most likely going to be in a greater then the great; depression. x.x
PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:31 am


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Naynram Ukir
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why cant a pool of parents teach a pool of kids instead of confining them to there houses (my flaw in home school)

public school we all agree on its faults.

it takes a village to raise a kid

Some people don't have the structural routine to do that. Or maybe the time, so they expect the kids to just do it by their self. I don't know if it's possible to make a business by yourself saying 'homeschooling, now taking applicants' or would that be the same thing as a private school, really?

Then there's always the problem of having AP class credentials to save up for if your kid wants to go to college or something. The world is unfortunately filled with strict policies on 'creds'. I have a GED now, but it's still as tough as s**t to get a job, because I have no real credentials.
It's hard for anyone to get a job. I have a G.E.D. but i aslo went to college. Don't let the T.V. news fool you we're not in an economical recovery. In fact I'd say we're most likely going to be in a greater then the great; depression. x.x



For one thing, homeschooling is different than unschooling.

Unschooling focuses on letting the children guild themselves through play and through real life acting as their age and selves permit.

Homeschool is more strict in schedule and you have specified 'units' or things to study and learn (before you actually Need to learn it as unschoolers would possibly say..)

Public schools are always constricting and so punishing if you are creative, rambunctious, eager, etc that it hinders actual learning. It is shoving information down kids throats pretty much and assuming they'll absorb it and learn it... whereas homeschooling would still learn the similar 'subjects' of a public system, only on a more individually led schedule...
Unschoolers would simply not even really bring up subjects and allow the children to do whatever they want for as long as they want, typically being 'play' and learn that way instead.. guiding their own likes and choosing their own path..

etc etc..


I'm not going to go into everything that I believe though... ><

I also wanted to comment on the other posts....
I do believe we are indeed looking upon hard times in the coming months. We'll see what happens, we all still have to have our 'likes' to know there's something to fight for. what is freedom without either..

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:50 pm


The problem I find with unschooling is that I don't think the children will be prepared to function in modern society with the "Let them do what they want in their own time," philosophy.

Just my opinion though.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:45 pm


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The problem I find with unschooling is that I don't think the children will be prepared to function in modern society with the "Let them do what they want in their own time," philosophy.

Just my opinion though.


What about the public schooled children who also don't function well? razz
It all depends on the child and whether they Want to learn or not. Honestly, I think 'school' is a huge waste of time and if parents spent more time with their kids and put more effort (or is it less effort once you get the hang of it?), they would be better guided and see more doors open in life... Sure it's still up to them to be interested and to actually pursue it - but I don't think public schooled children are any better off in that sense (I think they're just out a ton of time where they could be playing and learning more useful things than how to sit still and be quiet and do the work infront of you (don't forget your ritalin now~).

Schools do a lot of information cramming and not enough hands on application or actual learning imho...

As I said though, I think there are benefits of all types of teaching/learning.
I lean towards somewhere between homeschooling and unschooling though..

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:10 pm


This... seems horrible.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:22 pm


Suicidesoldier#1
This... seems horrible.



which part of what is horrible?~

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:41 pm


Well, I'm not entirely sure if unschooling is the same as "Re-Teaching"...

...however removing your kid from public schools can have a large, undesirable effect.

Such as not having a high school degree thus making their life harder, not preparing them for the rigors of the average society, or, simply making your child less immune to commonly spread diseases.

It can also make them think that life is all play and no work (or the other way around, depending on how you do it) and that can change their mood and vastly effect their perception of reality.



I understand wanting to teach your kid yourself and your core values, but I don't see why you need to put them through an entirely different school system.


Questions! xp
PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:15 pm


Suicidesoldier#1
Well, I'm not entirely sure if unschooling is the same as "Re-Teaching"...


re-teaching? what do you mean by that?
unschooling would be them learning things themselves as they go, as they need to, which happens to be just the right time~ a kid who learns to read at age 8 instead of age 4 is going to be at the same level as an adult anyway.. and who's to say that makes the 4 year old smarter to read sooner. Reading just just an example..
Unschooling is trying to provide the roads and options for the child as they go but allowing them to choose which path to take. Sure some might choose to watch tv all day, but who's to say they will continue to do so forever and be a bump on a log - from the reports I've read, usually they get bored of it and go do other things. And who's to say the public schooled child is going to watch tv or do 'pointless' things any less.. (pointless being in air quotes because really, what is or isn't pointless)..



Suicidesoldier#1

...however removing your kid from public schools can have a large, undesirable effect.


I could name some undesireable effects of being put through public school too. Not everything works exactly the same for ever child. Some things have to be taught/discovered/learned differently in order to be absorbed properly... Unschooling/homeschooling gives a chance for the parent to change up routines or tactics or whatever have you call it..


Suicidesoldier#1


Such as not having a high school degree thus making their life harder, not preparing them for the rigors of the average society, or, simply making your child less immune to commonly spread diseases.

It can also make them think that life is all play and no work (or the other way around, depending on how you do it) and that can change their mood and vastly effect their perception of reality.


did everyone you went to school with graduate highschool?
Did everyone who Did graduate get a job and function 'properly' in society?
Who says what 'functioning properly' is?
Did everyone who Didn't complete highschool NOT get jobs? I know many who have good jobs who didn't graduate.. and I know many who did who Don't have jobs at all. I know many who continued after highschool to go on to college/university, but I know many who didn't.

It should be a *choice* which profession or route a child takes and it shouldn't be frowned upon if they choose something different than what schools offer. Schools don't exactly offer a huge range of subjects or options.. and definitely don't promote 'differing opinions' on answers and whatnot..

I know many people who have went through schooling and still believe life is a joke and all play... I also know quite a few homeschooled families who saved up their own money to go to college, who worked great jobs, who are in university, who have great family and social values... etc etc..

And there are PLENTY of ways to socialize your child without putting them in a classroom for 8 hours a day where they SIT and DON'T socialize razz




Suicidesoldier#1

I understand wanting to teach your kid yourself and your core values, but I don't see why you need to put them through an entirely different school system.

Questions! xp


I obviously know I don't have all the answers.. or all the questions... buuuuut atleast I give a ******** and am trying to figure things out for my family. ><

I don't see how the school system teaches better values than I would myself.
or that their subject matter is of worth learning.


have you watched any videos or read any books about the public school system? about the curriculum? I don't believe it has the best interests at heart...

I enjoy looking at the different aspects of the different learning styles though... it's nice getting different perspectives too.

Ultimately, it will be my choice which schooling to go with when she gets a few years older... we'll see what happens ;P
Right now, I do enjoy teaching her the alphabet and numbers and whatnot, even if she doesn't 'need' them yet. It's fun and helpful... doesn't follow the unschooling approach though razz


(i didn't go back and spell check or grammar check any of this -it was typed rather quickly so I hope it makes sense!)

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:54 pm


So... unschooling is homeschooling?

Cause to be honest, I'm not entirely sure what unschooling even is, or what you mean by it. xp

While I believe that the public education system is ultimately flawed, I think that it's a great benefit for a child.



But, then again, I live in Texas, and we have like the best public educational system.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:33 pm


That is actually the dumbest ******** idea I had the displeasure of reading

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 10:23 pm


ammaea
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The problem I find with unschooling is that I don't think the children will be prepared to function in modern society with the "Let them do what they want in their own time," philosophy.

Just my opinion though.


What about the public schooled children who also don't function well? razz
It all depends on the child and whether they Want to learn or not. Honestly, I think 'school' is a huge waste of time and if parents spent more time with their kids and put more effort (or is it less effort once you get the hang of it?), they would be better guided and see more doors open in life... Sure it's still up to them to be interested and to actually pursue it - but I don't think public schooled children are any better off in that sense (I think they're just out a ton of time where they could be playing and learning more useful things than how to sit still and be quiet and do the work infront of you (don't forget your ritalin now~).

Schools do a lot of information cramming and not enough hands on application or actual learning imho...

As I said though, I think there are benefits of all types of teaching/learning.
I lean towards somewhere between homeschooling and unschooling though..


I just don't see that as viable in our society. Kids in public school still go on to get some kind of diploma (most of them, anyway) and thus seek gainful employment or higher education. This is because they are forced to learn things deemed necessary to live in our society.

I just don't see kids really doing much of anything if they're told they can just play and do whatever they want and learn in their own time. That might be great for creativity, but that's not really a dominant virtue in our society. I think the children would be greatly disadvantaged in more than one way.

As long as the kids actually learn the things they would normally learn (and in a relatively timely manner) then I don't really see how this would be much different than the concept of homeschooling, just with a looser schedule. I'm just concerned that regardless of what the kid learns, they won't have anything to show for it and thus will be severely disadvantaged as an adult.

I'm not against the idea; I just don't see how it could be feasible for all children. I'm sure it works for some though. I just question what credentials they get from this kind of schooling and whether they are *truly* equivalent to what a child would get in a conventional public or private school. At least with those standardized credentials the child indeed has a choice of what they want to do with their life (inside the confines of this society, anyway).

Just some more of my rambling thoughts.
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