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Lately I've been fairly interested in the Nazi or National Socialist party, merely because I saw a link in someone's signature and thought "now why on earth would someone support that?!". Going through their guild has really educated me more about what National Socialism is really about as I have to admit I've been a bit biased about that whole holocaust thing... whee

I think everyone in there agrees that Hitler was a pretty crazy guy and none of them support the holocaust, although they can all be very cold sometimes and the whole "think about the greater good of the society and don't let logic be tainted with emotion" thing makes them seem like robots.

I know this is probably a longshot, but I was wondering if anyone else here knows much about the Nazi party and what are your thoughts on it. I find it kind of sad though that while we have merely 75 users the Nazi guild has about 265....too bad the Libertarian party can't have that kind of passion/support..... crying

that's true....but sad....... sweatdrop crying

from what i have heard about communism, it sounds like a great type of government! i think if executed properly it would work.

Hm...I think communism is evil, but not because any countries that have tried it haven't suceeded. It is a society of leeches, each taking from another with no way to better yourself. If you invent something, you share it with the community and cannot use it to better yourself. If you find a treasure, you spread that treasure among the community. Couple with this the fact that under a society such as communism, few would want to work to their full capacity. If you can't better yourself, why not spend that extra hour break in the field? It's just some other people who will have a little less food for your lack of effort, not yourself. You may feel sorry for them, but 'you' are the one who's tired, right? Yeah, and the shade feels really nice....

The point is that it would not work because of PEOPLE! If everyone was willing to do their best for the community and constantly sacrifice their own labor and minds to that end...great for them, congrats. But I'd much rather use my own effort for myself. I'll help who I can, but I, myself, me, # 1...will always come first. It is the instict to survive, to better ourselves, that drives us, not the desire to better the community, not to better a lot of people you hardly know. Your neighbor is less successful than you...so? I'll help him where I can, but I will not feel sorry for my success and give him half of my business so he can ruin that as well. I will first make myself well off, then I can worry about helping others once I have some wealth to spare, but I will not stab myself to give another life. I value my self-worth, my own life.

Do no forget that, even if you are virtuous and do your best at things to better the community, the suspicion will always arise that Bob over Yonder isn't doing his best, and that it is unfair that you should have to do more than him when he is equally able. You will therefore reduce your efforts because you see little point in doing your best if others won't do their best.

But maybe you do your best despite this? Maybe you love the community that much. What's to stop Jim over Yonder from saying "Hey...he's doing all this extra work...if he can do all that, then I suppose I can take the last hour off everyday to do something I like, since he seems to have no problem with his work....yeah, better get going. The OC is on. Feel sorry for it..but...I 'do' like that show, and if he's going to work for me...." A society such as this can never truly exist without everyone being hardworking. And if everyone was hardworking, a society such as communism would not HAVE to exist, because there would be plenty for everyone. Neighbor George sees Neighbor Alfred is injured... "Here, I have plenty of bread. Have some until you can get better." So there is no logical point for communism to ever exist.

eek dear me, that's the last thing I ever thought I'd read in the libertarian forum...

anyway, your point about the nazi guild is pretty interesting. I like to think it all goes back to angsty teenagers; as in, you're not going to piss anyone off or feel (very) much sense of "community" promoting free trade and civil liberties, but you're going to get plenty of that when you drop a swastika in your signature. there's other reasons, I'm sure, but that seems to me to be one of the primary ones.

communism isn't about having people take care of you... and it won't breed laziness because if you don't pull your own weight you will be punished by the community because everyone has to contribute their fair share in order for everyone to be able to survive. Now, about the taking care of each other issue... everyone is required to do their fair share... otherwise they don't get needed supplies for daily life... and if you think capitalism offers people the chance to succeed then i'm sorry but you are delusional... it offers a limited number of already well off people the chance to attempt to succeed by exploiting the labor class... and any laboror that actually could have potential and in a fair fight could make something of himself is held back trying to make enough money for his family to live on... whereas in communism that worker is given the chance to prove what he has and do something he loves to do and still have the money needed to live on.

lol well I find that government is 'inherently' infficient and unnessisary, rather than evil. If you just want to go off ideals rather than reality I would be a rational anarchist like old TJ jefferson rather than a communist (cause communism is an idealistic approach rather than a realistic one). I would love to live in an anarchist uptopia. Too bad it is impossible to keep people from banning together to form some sort of sloppy government or another. Therefore realisitically I am a minarchist. Which means if you have to have a government make it small, unabusive, and out of way.

well ummmm.... haha *stratches head*. We are kind of a "loosely agree with each other" community rather then a "authoritarian bunch of crazies" communty. We should be more of a tight knit. I just think it's easier to call them crazy blaugh I'm jpinhands I'll be happy to debate them. Although, debating authoritarians gets really boring (and time consuming) after a while cause they don't listen to any side but their own.