Union Dues Banned? (OP now with links)

[Reverend MacManus]

Ere a few days ago, I saw on a news channel something about the banning of mandatory dues to belong to unions. I thought I would ask if anyone else here had seen the issue and what they're thoughts on it would be. My initial response was that with the banning of dues, unions may not be able to properly fund themselves and their advancement of worker rights throughout our nation. Bearing that in mind, I feel it will greatly hamper their influence, while at the same time the masses of workers will feel they can possibly simply "join" the union at no cost now; unknown to them that it actually lessens the chances of them joining and having that worker protection.

Thoughts? Opinions? Discuss!

Fox News Video: http://video.foxnews.com/v/4478738/states-take-on-unions/

The only other source really popping up is this, and it's wretched: http://didid.net/search/missouri to ban mandatory union dues

However, it seems that in my haste and not seeing the entire news footage; only Missouri is being subjected to this possible change in its legislation. So this is not in fact a federal matter. However, should it gain momentum and pass into a higher area for recommendation, maybe it will become a federal law. Who knows?  

[The Curse]

Compulsory union dues are ridiculous. People should not be forced to pay for services they do not use, do not want and do not need.

If Unions want more money, they should sell their services on merit like every other market competitive service.  

[Reverend MacManus]

The Curse

Compulsory union dues are ridiculous. People should not be forced to pay for services they do not use, do not want and do not need.

If Unions want more money, they should sell their services on merit like every other market competitive service.

So when I'm paying income taxes, state taxes, sales taxes and supporting Social Security I shouldn't have to do this either? Because I don't use the same services that others do? I would love to hear this one.

As per your second part, it sounds like you too would wish to abolish them all together to avoid workers having their interests looked over.  

[Le Pere Duchesne]

Put simply, STATE OUT OF THE ******** WORKERS MOVEMENT

also, don't listen to Curse, he's ******** trolling you.

☭Gracchvs

 

[The Curse]

Herr Wulf

The Curse

Compulsory union dues are ridiculous. People should not be forced to pay for services they do not use, do not want and do not need.

If Unions want more money, they should sell their services on merit like every other market competitive service.

So when I'm paying income taxes, state taxes, sales taxes and supporting Social Security I shouldn't have to do this either? Because I don't use the same services that others do? I would love to hear this one.

As per your second part, it sounds like you too would wish to abolish them all together to avoid workers having their interests looked over.

Hmm, sort of. Unlike unions, social security is a public service and it's functions are non-political.  

[The Curse]

Gracchia Blanqui

also, don't listen to Curse, he's ******** trolling you.

☭Gracchvs

I'm a member of the party that is responsible for student union fees being voluntary. Despite the contentious nature of this issue and my tradition of not bringing that up in this guild necessarily, I actually feel quite strongly about it.  

[Le Pere Duchesne]

The Curse

Gracchia Blanqui

also, don't listen to Curse, he's ******** trolling you.

☭Gracchvs

I'm a member of the party that is responsible for student union fees being voluntary. Despite the contentious nature of this issue and my tradition of not bringing that up in this guild necessarily, I actually feel quite strongly about it.

No you don't. You don't have any views. You're like a capitalist version of Mike.

☭Gracchvs

 

[The Curse]

Gracchia Blanqui

☭Gracchvs

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You're like a capitalist version of Mike.

☭Gracchvs

I'll take that as a compliment.  

[Aerliniel]

My honest opinion on what you described?

Gracchia Blanqui

STATE OUT OF THE ******** WORKERS MOVEMENT

This. They shouldn't be getting involved, although it should be expected that they would do that. If by benning them they can make unions decline, then it is better for them. Simple logic, how could we expect them to stay on one side and give us freedom to continue without any interruptions? Anyways, unions could receive momey in other ways though, this won't incapacitate them completely. You can get rid of the "compulsory" element of it, and make it "suggested", or like a non-written law. Besides, if the members care about the union to continue running, is it not logical to pay dues? This law seems a bit stupid, as there are many ways to go around it. More details, please?

Aer ☭

 

[Reverend MacManus]

General Aerlinniel

My honest opinion on what you described?

Gracchia Blanqui

STATE OUT OF THE ******** WORKERS MOVEMENT

This. They shouldn't be getting involved, although it should be expected that they would do that. If by benning them they can make unions decline, then it is better for them. Simple logic, how could we expect them to stay on one side and give us freedom to continue without any interruptions? Anyways, unions could receive momey in other ways though, this won't incapacitate them completely. You can get rid of the "compulsory" element of it, and make it "suggested", or like a non-written law. Besides, if the members care about the union to continue running, is it not logical to pay dues? This law seems a bit stupid, as there are many ways to go around it. More details, please?

Aer ☭

I had only gotten to see the news briefly. Hence otherwise asking others here for more information, perhaps links on the matter.

I admit, with Gracchia's response, I wasn't certain if it was in reference to the government or suggesting that we here in the guild stay out of it. Coming from a mostly factory job background, I was a bit confused there.

Looking at it that way though, I can see there are ways around it. But, if one's going to do that to labor unions, I would in turn expect a similar result to be pushed towards political parties. I know the C.P.U.S.A. has dues at least. Not sure about major parties, or other existing parties. I'm a bit ignorant of those things at the moment.  

[Reverend MacManus]

The Curse

Herr Wulf

The Curse

Compulsory union dues are ridiculous. People should not be forced to pay for services they do not use, do not want and do not need.

If Unions want more money, they should sell their services on merit like every other market competitive service.

So when I'm paying income taxes, state taxes, sales taxes and supporting Social Security I shouldn't have to do this either? Because I don't use the same services that others do? I would love to hear this one.

As per your second part, it sounds like you too would wish to abolish them all together to avoid workers having their interests looked over.

Hmm, sort of. Unlike unions, social security is a public service and it's functions are non-political.

I'm not so sure that labor unions are really politically aimed anymore, either. But I'm still waiting on a rebuttal from you about the other taxes and supporting projects and services I myself do not use.  

[Aerliniel]

Herr Wulf

General Aerlinniel

My honest opinion on what you described?

Gracchia Blanqui

STATE OUT OF THE ******** WORKERS MOVEMENT

This. They shouldn't be getting involved, although it should be expected that they would do that. If by benning them they can make unions decline, then it is better for them. Simple logic, how could we expect them to stay on one side and give us freedom to continue without any interruptions? Anyways, unions could receive momey in other ways though, this won't incapacitate them completely. You can get rid of the "compulsory" element of it, and make it "suggested", or like a non-written law. Besides, if the members care about the union to continue running, is it not logical to pay dues? This law seems a bit stupid, as there are many ways to go around it. More details, please?

Aer ☭

I wasn't certain if it was in reference to the government or suggesting that we here in the guild stay out of it. Coming from a mostly factory job background, I was a bit confused there.

Nah, I think he meant the government, not the guild. I don't see any sense for saying that we should stay out of it.

Herr Wulf

Looking at it that way though, I can see there are ways around it. But, if one's going to do that to labor unions, I would in turn expect a similar result to be pushed towards political parties. I know the C.P.U.S.A. has dues at least. Not sure about major parties, or other existing parties. I'm a bit ignorant of those things at the moment.

I don't think they would do a turn to political parties, it would be too difficult. Basically because they would surely exclude the main parties or the one of their liking (aka the ones not of the worker movement). My guess on that is that they will iclude those type of parties as "unions" directly. It would save them time. Man, I do hate the governor's comment. Ban the unions directly and set up some of her liking, it will save her time stressed

Aer ☭

 

[The Curse]

Herr Wulf

The Curse

Herr Wulf

The Curse

Compulsory union dues are ridiculous. People should not be forced to pay for services they do not use, do not want and do not need.

If Unions want more money, they should sell their services on merit like every other market competitive service.

So when I'm paying income taxes, state taxes, sales taxes and supporting Social Security I shouldn't have to do this either? Because I don't use the same services that others do? I would love to hear this one.

As per your second part, it sounds like you too would wish to abolish them all together to avoid workers having their interests looked over.

Hmm, sort of. Unlike unions, social security is a public service and it's functions are non-political.

I'm not so sure that labor unions are really politically aimed anymore, either. But I'm still waiting on a rebuttal from you about the other taxes and supporting projects and services I myself do not use.

Like I already pointed out, in addition to not being a political thing, it's public service (IE government owned and operated). Meaning that its functions are held to account (directly or indirectly) via all the methods of transparency and accountability that a given country has. Taxation is an agreed upon policy and can be removed by electing anti-tax minded parties. Compulsory union fees will be enforced whenever they can be. They will be enforced for as long as they can be. They will be as high as the unions arbitrarily feel. That money will be used for political purposes. To fund political parties the union likes. To push political partisan viewpoints to the public. To generally do political things.

Union movements are only political any more.  

[Cory Shallow]

Herr Wulf

The Curse

Compulsory union dues are ridiculous. People should not be forced to pay for services they do not use, do not want and do not need.

If Unions want more money, they should sell their services on merit like every other market competitive service.

So when I'm paying income taxes, state taxes, sales taxes and supporting Social Security I shouldn't have to do this either? Because I don't use the same services that others do? I would love to hear this one.

As per your second part, it sounds like you too would wish to abolish them all together to avoid workers having their interests looked over.

Compulsory union dues force all employees at a workplace to spend money on frills they may prefer to opt out of. This is normally the objective of closed-shop unions, like the one I currently belong to (not by choice).
I might like having eye care, but few of my coworkers need eye care and don't see why they ought to spend money on optical insurance. Why should they have to part with a percentage of their wages (on top of taxes and other pre-existing redistribution services) so that my insurance be subsidized? There is no good reason, particularly not when the only reason they're being forced to contribute is so that they can be employed.
These aren't conditions being set by the employer, but they have a significantly negative impact on the work environment, which I understand to be the opposite of what labor unions seek to achieve.