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 Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 10:15 am
If you live in the South, you've probably seen one of the new commercials made by the Sons of Confederate Veterans. I saw one on channel 3 at like 11pm at night. THIS. I've looked for the EXACT commercial but i cant find it. But the facts are the same, and they played a little more music in the back, displaying pictures of Georgia...Cotton fields, Antebellum houses, Stone Mountain... The reason these commercials are on is because in 2011, it will be the 150th anniversary for the Civil War. Some quotes: "When the men of the South stood courageously for liberty, even when in the face of surmountable odds"
"Not a cival war to take over the states as it is called in history books today" < - - I was never told that.
"This was a war which southerners fought to defend their homes and families against an aggressive invasion against an aggressive invasion against federal troops." < - - no mention of slaves still.
"The south peacefully succeeded, just like our founding fathers did in 1776 with England and all we wanted was to be left alone to govern ourselves" < - - yeap, just us and our slaves...of course, they dont want to bring that messy detail up.
"Dont let others do your thinking for you, dont allow them to rob you of your heritage while they celebrate their own" < - - umm..White Power? Has anyone else seen this commercial?
What do you think of it?
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Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 3:19 pm
The Civil war was not about slavery. It was about maintaining power and keeping America as one country, so it would be large and powerful rather than fragmented. Slavery is tacked on to our educations system because the winners write the history books. I'm not saying I agree with the South, nor with slavery, but I am saying that slavery was just a tacked on bit. Sort of like how Islam is a tacked on bit to the bullshit going on in the middle east. It's all based on power, economic control and political puppeteering. Strongly emotional ideals like freedom of religion or opposed religions or slavery is a good tool to motivate the masses to support a war movement.
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Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 4:42 pm
Ha! I like the quote "Don't let others do the thinking for you" especially when they are misrepresenting facts/information!
And suprisingly, I have not seen this commercial yet. I am literally 45 minutes from Georgia so I should be seeing it sometime.
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Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 5:42 pm
but they are not misrepresenting. confused I've seen alot of folks misrepresent the facts, trying to make it all out to be a political thing.... that commercial is not doing that at all. confused
I'm Proud to be a Floridian, and I'd have Proudly fought for the Confederacy as well. I understand that the South wanted to keep their slaves, and that the Confederate Constitution still held the idea of Black People being only 3/4 of a Human... but that wasn't a view everyone in the South shared, nor was it a view not held by the Union!
President Lincoln didn't realy care if the Black slaves were Emancipated or not, he made that decision to bolster his armies (both by the slave population, and also by the aid of Native Americans, Brittish, French, and Canadian allies).
don't get me wrong, I still like Lincoln... but I don't pretend he wasn't a federalist who believed in maintaining the power and dominance of the republic. I'll say it again, I'd have PROUDLY fought for the Confederacy!
it isn't like the racist view of Blacks would have remained any longer than the U.S.... in fact, I honestly believe that the continued racism in America is due in part by the continuation of the republic.
and as for slavery... I'll admit it, I don't mind the idea of slavery. however, I would have been one to change the Law in my State to make slavery not based on race. it could work in some places.
I don't like republics. I think they are awful, and the federal government model is oppressive and tyrannical by nature. it isn't fair, and isn't Democratic.
the Confederacy was NEVER about white power, nor about slavery; it was about Independence from federalism, and it was about Economic Independence. and if the people in the majority of the Confederate States voted to keep slaves, it doesn't carry over to the whole nation, because there's no federal law. if we were a republic, the majority rules, and every State has to follow that law.
that's the reason, of course, thatw e have State Laws and federal law... but that doesn't change the fact that federal law still is unfair. it's meant to protect people's Rights, including Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, but it's not used that way. and that is a problem that the Confederacy wouldn't have as a whole.
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Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 9:13 pm
For most of the Civil War, Florida was held as Union territory, or at least large tracts of Florida were. There were surprisingly few Southern strongholds with in Florida, though I don't exactly remember why. Something about union held forts.
Slavery was an important issue with both the Northern and Southern states, but it was not the main issue in the South for going to war. The actual reason for the Civil War was a state right to exit the Union of the United States. It had everything to do with the right of the indipendant states to govern themselves without interference of the President and Congress making laws to prevent them from doing so.
Now, slavery was still an issue, but it was not the Reason. Even among Northern sympathizers the issue was preventing the deteriation of the United States by dissenters who were angry with the laws being enacted by the office of the President of the USA and the Congress. The Emancipation Proclamation, however, did not automatically free the slaves as is popularly taught.
Side Line: Africans were not the only slaves in the Americas. It has become poplular to gloss over the fact that the Spanish and Portuguse brought the first slaves to the Americas. Not all the slaves on those Ships were black. There were quite a lot who were Europeans enslaved by the Roman Catholic Inquisition as a recompense for their crimes of not being Catholic in the first place and agreeing to convert before the torture started. The Conquistadors enslaved local populations in the New World to fund their treasure hunts and farm their lands. It was cheeper to do this than transport them overseas.
Slavery was not a new thing to the Americas when the United States was formed. There was some debate among the forefathers of this nation as to whether they should allow the slaves in the US to vote, hold properties, and become free by order of the government. At the time the Constitution was ratified there existed a form of white slavery called indentureship. Usually this was to pay for a person's trip from Britain to the US, but not always. Sometimes it was a punishment by the courts of the day to force the person to labor in order to pay restitution for something stolen or damaged. In the French and Spanish territories of the US, indentureship was also a practice again of the Roman Catholic Church in order to punish people who did not see eye to eye with Catholic doctrine, but who converted during an inquest to their faith.
Indentureship in a kind house allowed the servant to work from sun up to sun down for a set amount of days, months, or years to pay off the debt or term applied by the Court. A good master fed them and allowed them clothing suitable for the climate, but this was not always so. There are many accounts of ill treatment by the master of the indentured person, of meager meals, and having to work extra time to pay for clothing. Once the term was ended the indentured servant could be ushered from the property without pay or their belongings. The master could trick the servant into longer indentiture, and most people would turn a blind eye.
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Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 6:44 am
*nods head*
Yep as was previously mentioned the Civil War was about State's Rights. Slavery was just one of the issues on which the states believed they should have the right to make laws or not. It was all about less federal government.
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