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cg53214
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 9:37 am


Well, we all know Ravenclaw is the awesome house of clever and witty thinkers. So why not think? What horribly dividing and brilliant philosophical discussions can we get into?
Politics and religion (in general) are out, discussing the effect of possible qualities of possible future leaders and the effect on the past are fine.
Use all your brain, think things. Post them.
Start a debate here, or just question things.
Suggest deep thinking reads and sci-fi, or books to help understand the logic of magic and runes and things.
Truly, the one thing a Ravenclaw can do wrong is to allow themselves to stay ignorant and to not use their gifts. Luna combated that, and she was ostracized for it, but we too are members of Ravenclaw, and we look to her. Mimic the sun my friends, and together we shall shine bright no matter how few we are.

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~Big Bang Theory
PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:08 pm


That's a great idea! I'll throw out a topic first, and tell me what you think of it:
The Big Bang Theory
I was just having a discussion with my little cousin about this the other day. For how young she is, she's exceptionally bright. I, myself, don't believe it was the start of the universe. I'll explain more later.

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cg53214
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:22 pm


The big question is, what was there before the universe? Was there simply nothingness? Or was there something, anything at all?
For the big bang theory to be accurate there has to have been an extreme amassing of energies and elements condensed into one area-- like a black hole, sucking in the energy and directing it to it's center.
Which would lead to the question of weather or not it's possible that before the universe itself was created there was just one big black hole? How plausible is that? Not likely.
But it does seem likely that if that were true then it would be a black hole because eventually black holes take in too much energy and explode into white holes which release energy.
Still not likely.

What's your view?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 7:08 pm


It's hard to comprehend the fact of there being no beginning of time, and no end (Well, 2012 could be "the end", but that's another story). Scientists have tried to use The Big Bang Theory as their argument to creationism. BUT for the Big Bang Theory to happen, then there had to be something before it, and what created, what started, those things beforehand that led to the Big Bang and henceforth, our universe? I'm sorry, I seem to be starting to bring religion into this... I just think that nothing comes from nothing, so the universe, the planets, the sun, life itself...can't come from nothing. Where would the energy needed to start the Big Bang come from?
I hadn't heard that Black Holes turn into White Holes, that's an interesting bit of info. Could there have been a black hole that took too much energy before the beginning of time, then it resulted in a white hole that released energy?
Not likely.

Anyway, I believe that in the scientific field, there becomes a point when logic or theories can't apply to things. Things we think are laws, things that always happen, could turn out to not be true. You could pick something up, drop it, and who know? It might go up sometime(I'm saying in an area with gravity, not in the vacuum of space). Science has rules, and it breaks them at the same time.

Scientists seem to make theories about things they can't comprehend, things perhaps no one will ever know (like the beginning of the universe), I think some do not understand how small we are, and how little we actually know.

Sorry, my thoughts are sot of all over the place.

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cg53214
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 11:18 am


There's always the infinity theory... Then again, that's also just a theory- it hasn't been proven yet.
Whatever the case, the Big Bang theory is unlikely and this topic is confusing because of the complexity of the other theories. The Big Bang is the simplest to understand, which is probably why most people understand it.
And yes, there is a point when logic can't explain things. Logic can't explain the paranormal, and yet it still happens. Of course, like anything and everything, there are going to be rule breakers and exceptions but most of those times (with a little work) things can be explained, but sometimes they can't.
People (in general, in the US at least) don't think. Simple as that, there is no thinking. Tomorrow is tomorrow, what's been said is true- always, no matter what. If we look at the behavior and social conditions of today, we can compare humanity the people in Fahrenheit 451. Half of their society is moronic and ignorant, while the rest seeks knowledge but becomes autistic in nature because there is no communication. While that won't happen, what's more likely is humanity turns out like the Klingons and the Vulcans. With humanity becoming either driven by intelligence and control, or humanity very primitive and violent. That is assuming that we don't all end up like those in Fahrenheit 451.

This conversation is good, I don't mind if your thoughts seem to you unorganized.
PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:33 pm


I'm reading PoA again right now, and that reminded me of something Stan Shunpike said to Harry
"'How come Muggles don't hear the bus?'Harry said.
"'Them!' said Stan contemptuously. 'Don' listen properly, do they? Don' look properly either. Never notice nuffink, they don' " - p 36
Stan was so right there, and it doesn't just apply to the Knight Bus. Common sense isn't common anymore. I have met so many ignorant people, so many who just didn't care about education, as if they wouldn't have to fend for themselves later in life. As if none of it mattered. You have to work for things, and I think rewards seem so much sweeter when you've worked hard for them. What do the ignorant, the procrastinators (although I must admit I can be one myself), the moronic plan to do with their lives? Some of the most idiotic seem to do just fine in life, but it seems like they miss out on so much, like theirs a all blocking them from the true extent of knowledge, brilliance and socialization. Socializing, now that's another topic. So many people just text/email/IM, etc. other people now that there seems to hardly be any actual face-to-face conversations anymore. I haven't read Fahrenheit 451 before (it's a book right? haha biggrin ) but it sounds interesting. If it's a book, who is it by? I sometimes get lost in books and knowledge and nearly forget reality, so I can see how it would be a problem for those in Fahrenheit 451.

I think some of the best ideas can come to those whose minds aren't narrow or straight-forward, but all over the place (like mine) and open to possibilities, only then, could some of the things we know today be true.

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cg53214
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 3:04 pm


Fahrenheit 451 is a book, it's by Ray Bradbury. There's a movie version but they changed a lot of things in it, but the ending still shows just how horrible their world can be. Just in a different way.
The book itself is about censorship, the people worship television.
The disappearance of common sense came when the average family went from including one or both sets of grandparents down to parents and children. Really there's no common sense in the Americas (minus Canada) but the majority of Europe and parts of Africa and other areas of the world are fine.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 6:52 am


Back to the topic at hand, I cannot explain my view on the Big Bang without religion. Coming from a very religious family (my parents are both pastors) it's just the mindset I've developed. With that being said, there are theories in which the both agree. There are people who will say that everything was in a giant mass and then God, or whatever creator you prefer, said 'go' and then boom, Big Bang. Although it's not entirely scientific or anything, it's a theory none the less.

Frankly, I don't know my view on the topic. I'm just a little speck out here surrounded by ideas and theories. Really, I'm lost on the whole thing. I like things on a smaller scale.

Nerd_of_Many_Faces
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X_Valentine_Lovegood_X
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 2:57 pm


Nerd_of_Many_Faces
Back to the topic at hand, I cannot explain my view on the Big Bang without religion. Coming from a very religious family (my parents are both pastors) it's just the mindset I've developed. With that being said, there are theories in which the both agree. There are people who will say that everything was in a giant mass and then God, or whatever creator you prefer, said 'go' and then boom, Big Bang. Although it's not entirely scientific or anything, it's a theory none the less.

Frankly, I don't know my view on the topic. I'm just a little speck out here surrounded by ideas and theories. Really, I'm lost on the whole thing. I like things on a smaller scale.


That's very true. We shouldn't set our minds on what we can't (and possibly will never be able to) comprhend. I've also developed that mindset, and so it's extremely difficult to not bring religion into this.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 7:10 pm


X_Valentine_Lovegood_X

That's very true. We shouldn't set our minds on what we can't (and possibly will never be able to) comprehend. I've also developed that mindset, and so it's extremely difficult to not bring religion into this.

I agree, and since we've already discussed this topic a little bit (as much as we can without bringing in Religion) I suggest we move onto another topic.
Suggestion: Global Warming/Freezing or Pole-Shift?

cg53214
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Nerd_of_Many_Faces
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:16 pm


Hmmm, tough new topic. I guess one's point of view would be based on how they define Global Warming. I define it, to the extent that I actually think about it, as the melting of the polar ice caps. And that is proven, you can actually see it, which is why one cannot argue that it's not happening. But I really think I need to do more research about that.

Now for a Pole-Shift, I sure hope not, I'd rather not have the ozone messed up and be killed by cosmic radiation.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 2:12 pm


Scientist's don't how long it that the poles would be shifting. So it could actually take a small amount of time, and it's likely humanity will survive. After all this has happened before and the world didn't go extinct.

cg53214
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Nerd_of_Many_Faces
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 5:03 pm


But without the ozone layer for any amount of time, with could be introduced to many harmful things. And who knows how long it will take to rebuild the gas makeup of the planet, some might be lost and others gained. really, all I'm saying is that I don't want a polar shift, but I know that there is nothing to stop it.
PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 11:34 am


I agree it would have detrimental effects on the environment, but I think that it's just as likely to bring about some good as it is to bring about some bad. For all we know cosmic radiation could cause mutations in animal species, creating new sub-species to be studied. Even though it's just as likely other forms of radiation kill us off. I agree it could be bad, but it could also be good.
Let's say it isn't a pole shift, but is just global warming caused by pollution. How are we going to cut down on that? How could America cut down on that? And how could we possibly reverse the effects?

cg53214
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Nerd_of_Many_Faces
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 1:35 pm


Well, it's not what we can do, it's what we are willing to do. We all know that we should use less energy and gas and recycle more, but we are just lazy to do so. There's many things we could do: build more efficient technology, find more ways to use less energy, recycle want we have, find alternatives for what we don't. So many things that we could be doing. And, sure, there are organizations who contribute but it's still not enough. As for reversing it, I'm not to sure.
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