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 Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:38 pm
Well, I think the title says really what I want to ask, so I'll just explain why I want to know.
As far as I know, Jews don't believe Christ was the son of god nor do they believe that he was a true prophet even. I'm curious about what Jews think about him though.
Please answer the question, because I won't get offended. Heck, I'm not even religious; just curious.
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 5:17 pm
My view:
Assuming that he ever existed, Jesus Christ was an extremely radical rabbi back in the years 3765 to 3795 or so by the Hebrew Calendar. He lived in Judea int he Middle East and definately did not look like the Caucasian guy they paint him as. He said some pretty radical things and gained a large following of people who continued to listen to him, even worship him as a deity, even after he died, depite his being just a man.
I imagine he's in Gan Eden right now with the other radical religious reformers like Martin Luther and John Calvin.
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 8:20 pm
Lumanny the Space Jew My view: Assuming that he ever existed, Jesus Christ was an extremely radical rabbi back in the years 3765 to 3795 or so by the Hebrew Calendar. He lived in Judea int he Middle East and definately did not look like the Caucasian guy they paint him as. He said some pretty radical things and gained a large following of people who continued to listen to him, even worship him as a deity, even after he died, depite his being just a man. I imagine he's in Gan Eden right now with the other radical religious reformers like Martin Luther and John Calvin. Could you explain what "Gan Eden" is? I don't really know really anything about Judaism. smile Oh, and the Old Testament in the Bible... is that what the Jews believe in? As for Jesus being a radical Jew, I can totally see that as having been the case. After all, it's clear he was a Jew, but he obviously broke away from traditional Jewish views which is why Christianity came about. (And yeah. I don't understand why so many people think Jesus was white. After all, Christianity sprung up from the Middle East where the people are definitely not white). What you've said goes a lot with my theory that many religions that are created start off as cults until a large enough population believes in the same thing as the cult. Then it becomes a religion. Of course this is not the case for all religions and I have multiple theories on how religions came about, all of them probably occurring separately and/or in some cases together.
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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:23 pm
cwilder725 (And yeah. I don't understand why so many people think Jesus was white. After all, Christianity sprung up from the Middle East where the people are definitely not white). Historically there were Caucasian races in the Middle East. You just have to remember that Caucasian in anthropological terms is far different than we traditionally take Caucasian here in American culture now-a-days. (White being of descent from Germanic, Celtic, and Norse cultures and bearing the physical features thereof including pale skin, strong jaws and often chins, medium noses, variety of natural hair colors ranging from black to blonde with fine to thick hair, generally has more body hair, etc.) Often enough though despite the limitations in the races that actually led up to the image of white people as we know them, we tend to historically think of other races as white such as Greeks, Romans, etc. although fact is, the actual 'white' races had a comparably 'barbaric' society up until the fall of the Roman empire. Since the Romans lead to our societal make-up, we make the mistake in thinking they make up our racial make-up as well when really they don't. Most of the paintings of Jesus we tend to evoke in our mental imagery are from Rennaisance era Western Europe, most stemming from Italy. (Which artistically had the strongest movement during that era.) The Italians when painting around that time were often thinking of Hellenic myth and culture, even when doing Christian paintings. (Even if they had had the racial features of Hellenic culture, odds are they'd miss the appropriate racial features of Jesus.) So really, you can't put too much stock in them having the correct race at the time considering their inspiration, not to mention perhaps a lack of the appropriate race in the area to do studies and paint figures of. Sorry had to throw two cents there.
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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 9:08 pm
Lumanny the Space Jew My view: Assuming that he ever existed, Jesus Christ was an extremely radical rabbi back in the years 3765 to 3795 or so by the Hebrew Calendar. He lived in Judea int he Middle East and definately did not look like the Caucasian guy they paint him as. He said some pretty radical things and gained a large following of people who continued to listen to him, even worship him as a deity, even after he died, depite his being just a man. I imagine he's in Gan Eden right now with the other radical religious reformers like Martin Luther and John Calvin. Interesting.
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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:17 pm
From what I've heard, if they do believe he was a person, they believe he was either a fake or a nobody. If they don't believe he existed, then they obviously don't think he existed.
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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:23 pm
Lateralus es Helica cwilder725 (And yeah. I don't understand why so many people think Jesus was white. After all, Christianity sprung up from the Middle East where the people are definitely not white). Historically there were Caucasian races in the Middle East. You just have to remember that Caucasian in anthropological terms is far different than we traditionally take Caucasian here in American culture now-a-days. (White being of descent from Germanic, Celtic, and Norse cultures and bearing the physical features thereof including pale skin, strong jaws and often chins, medium noses, variety of natural hair colors ranging from black to blonde with fine to thick hair, generally has more body hair, etc.) Often enough though despite the limitations in the races that actually led up to the image of white people as we know them, we tend to historically think of other races as white such as Greeks, Romans, etc. although fact is, the actual 'white' races had a comparably 'barbaric' society up until the fall of the Roman empire. Since the Romans lead to our societal make-up, we make the mistake in thinking they make up our racial make-up as well when really they don't. Most of the paintings of Jesus we tend to evoke in our mental imagery are from Rennaisance era Western Europe, most stemming from Italy. (Which artistically had the strongest movement during that era.) The Italians when painting around that time were often thinking of Hellenic myth and culture, even when doing Christian paintings. (Even if they had had the racial features of Hellenic culture, odds are they'd miss the appropriate racial features of Jesus.) So really, you can't put too much stock in them having the correct race at the time considering their inspiration, not to mention perhaps a lack of the appropriate race in the area to do studies and paint figures of. Sorry had to throw two cents there.
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 6:14 am
So I was thinking about this last night and, since there is already a similar thread, I didn't think I needed to make another.
What did the Jews back two thousand years ago think of Jesus? Is there anything in the scriptures/writings talking about him and his practices? Any biased views? He was supposedly Jewish right? So wouldn't there be some record of him in Jewish history? Or were the Jews back then completely appaled by him and totally wrote him out?
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:44 am
I'm not Jewish I'm Catholic, so I might be wrong, but I do know a lot about Judaism because it is like the Mother/Father religion of Christianity. To some Jews, Jesus Christ is not the Son of God only a prophet (because in those times the Jews thought getting to Temple every Sabbath was more important then treating others the way you want to be treated). They believe this because they think believing in Jesus is like believing in another god/blastphemy. But I don't think Orthodow Jews (Jews that still believe in the old law of Judaism, like you can't eat bottom feeders) but the other ones I think believe in Jesus only as a prophet.
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:57 am
Aakosir So I was thinking about this last night and, since there is already a similar thread, I didn't think I needed to make another.
What did the Jews back two thousand years ago think of Jesus? Is there anything in the scriptures/writings talking about him and his practices? Any biased views? He was supposedly Jewish right? So wouldn't there be some record of him in Jewish history? Or were the Jews back then completely appaled by him and totally wrote him out? Well, I imagine they either joined him or thought he was some kind of crazy person XD Other than that, I have no idea. Most of the people that followed Jesus considered themselves Jews until after Jesus' death. Christianity wasn't really founded until after Jesus' death.
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 5:41 pm
Aspen 2010 I'm not Jewish I'm Catholic, so I might be wrong, but I do know a lot about Judaism because it is like the Mother/Father religion of Christianity. To some Jews, Jesus Christ is not the Son of God only a prophet (because in those times the Jews thought getting to Temple every Sabbath was more important then treating others the way you want to be treated). They believe this because they think believing in Jesus is like believing in another god/blastphemy. But I don't think Orthodow Jews (Jews that still believe in the old law of Judaism, like you can't eat bottom feeders) but the other ones I think believe in Jesus only as a prophet. Sorry, I know this is a really old thread, but I just read this and it bothered me no one ever clarified. Most Jews do not believe Jesus was the son of God. In fact, the only group of Jews that do are Messianic Jews, which is a very small minority. I have grown up in a conservative synogogue and never once have I heard Jesus refered to as a prophet. According to our lessons, he was simply a Rabbi (or teacher), someone who studied Jewish law and taught it to others. Second, the going to the temple being more important than being a good person is inaccurate and has nothing to do with the belief that Jesus is not the son of God. Also, not only Orthodox Jews follow the laws of Koshrut. Simply because you have heard about things, does not mean you actually know a lot about them.
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 3:43 pm
Hello folks, I just wanted to tell you I'm an orthodox Jew and clarify a few things. Firstly, Gan Eden translates as Garden of Eden, or simply Eden as most people know it. Now, I'm far from an expert on this topic, but from what I know, it is debated as to whether Jesus even existed, and if he did, then he wasn't anything more than just a rabbi. (This is all what my various rabbis over the years have told me) Also, I have asked several rabbis about this before, and they have all told me that they have never seen any mention of Jesus anywhere in any of the teachings of old. That's not to say it isn't there, it's just there's a very good chance there's no information about him anywhere, meaning if he did exist, he was like an insignificant rabbi, not a son of god. Please don't take offense to this, I am only telling you what I have been told.
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 2:35 pm
Aakosir So I was thinking about this last night and, since there is already a similar thread, I didn't think I needed to make another.
What did the Jews back two thousand years ago think of Jesus? Is there anything in the scriptures/writings talking about him and his practices? Any biased views? He was supposedly Jewish right? So wouldn't there be some record of him in Jewish history? Or were the Jews back then completely appaled by him and totally wrote him out? Well he clearly had some following otherwise we wouldn't still be talking about him. That's the thing about supposed Messiahs. Lots of different groups have some timetable they've worked out as to when he will arrive (my friend once told me only 2000 years to go) but in the rabbinic view he's as likely to come then as he is likely to come in the next five seconds; you just don't know. The criteria of eligibility (ex. Descendant of the house of David) can really describe a lot of people, and while they're still alive, it's like, well you don't know that they won't eventually unite the Jewish people and build the Third Temple and do various eschatological things. The famous rabbi of Lubavich, for example, was thought by many to be the Messiah until he died. The same with Bar Kochba in more ancient days, or Shabbetai Tzvi before he surrendered and converted. While a person is still alive, as long as they don't tell you to break with halacha or contradict Torah they technically can't be discounted all at once. Not that you have to embrace them all at once either. Every year there's a new Rebbe in Israel claiming to be the Messiah and every year he rises and falls like a passing fad within a certain community. There's even a whole "Jerusalem syndrome" named for people who make pilgrimage to the Holy Land and begin to believe they are the Messiah. It's really not that uncommon. It's unclear if the people living in the time of Jesus actually believed him to be the Messiah or if that came about in later texts, but if they did and his following was anything like the other guys', it would have been a controversial splinter group with a big dropoff in numbers after his death and only a few stubborn souls still unshakably believing. And being far from the only one in that position, it wouldn't warrant much documentation.
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