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| Double |
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| Kiva |
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[ 2 ] |
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| Total Votes : 6 |
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 Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 10:53 am
Ladies and gentlemen the next match is about to begin! Who will it be? The two in one detective or one the that will drive you batty?
Let's find out!
Ready.....
Fight!
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Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:17 am
Oooo...thats a tough one. See there are many positive qualities of both riders, and their powers.
Double not only has the ability to change to multiple combanations based on the gaia memories, but throw into the fact of two gaia memories give him weapons make things interesting. His base form, cyclone joker, is powerfull on its own. The wind attribute of the cyclone memory gives double a very powerfull jump, allowing him to reach great heights. The joker memory gives him inhanced unarmed combat skills, mostly his punch and kick. Luna memory allows double to streatch any part of his body, the metal rod, and control the angle at witch the blasts from the trigger magnum, allowing that weapon to shoot around anything to get at the target. Heat is just like its name, it adds some real fire to whatever he uses it in combanation. Metal not only gives double the metal rod, but in combanation with heat it makes him nearly unstopable with anything cold based. Trigger of course is the long ranged weapon, giving double a good chance to stay at a distance from certain dopants.
Kiva...we all know what kiva is capable of (i hope). Kiva's power is increased aprox. 10 times from normal, making him very strong when henshined. The futsles give kiva weapons and powers when inserted into Kivat's mouth. The garuru saber is a powerfull sword, wich makes kiva very ferocious. The Basha magnum makes kiva calm and an excelent marksman, able to hit almost anything no matter how fast they are. The Doga hammer, makes kiva much stronger than he normaly is and can break anything. Of course he has combined all three powers so that gives him some...interesting abilities.
For their final forms, both riders gain alot. The extreme memory makes double literaly two in one, fusing both shotaro and phillip into one body, cyclone/joker extreme. This gaia memory gives double far more power than any other, literaly giving them the power of the earth's gaia memory. This form also gives them the prism biker (or is it breaker?), a weapon specialized for the use of double extreme. The shield itself is a weapon, when useing all of philip's gaia memories and shotaro's joker, it can unleash a powerfull blast of energy, or several smaller blasts. This weapon also comes with the prism memory wich is used in the sword attatched the shield. Both are extremely powerfull and can do their own maximum drives.
Tatsulot transforms kiva into his true form, emperor form. This increases his power to that of dark kiva, making the two almost dead even. Not only that but kiva also gains a sword eventually which he can summon with a fustle. This combination makes kiva able to defeat almost any fangire with ease.
So after reviewing what i just wrote...i must say that it seems to me that kamen rider double just has a better chance of winning against kiva due to the gaia memories and the combanations. It would be a close match but double would win with a trump card or something.
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Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 2:07 pm
Kiva is powerful and versatile. At base, a great melee fighter with a powerful finishing kick. Added versatility comes from small, noise making devices that slot into the belt to activate various form changes. Among the powerups are a striking form, a gun form and a bladed form. Working in combination with another, they fight with these skills effectively.
Double is powerful and versatile. At base, a great melee fighter with a powerful finishing kick. Added versatility comes from small, noise making devices that slot into the belt to activate various form changes. Among the powerups are a striking form, a gun form and a bladed form. Working in combination with another, they fight with these skills effectively.
This comes down to a battle of forms. I think they are fairly even up until you go into the specifics of those forms which begins to get a bit crazy. Double has more of an edge with his added elements and greater versatility shown, but Kivas forms have their own set of powers though not as showcased. Kivat isn't as knowledgeable on everything like Phillip, but provides enough insight to help in battles that I can see them somewhat evening out as long as Kivat can keep switching things up.
Melee form I think Double has the edge. His Joker form is almost always used with another booster like Cyclone so it is powered up more than Kiva. If it was just Jokers memory, I think Kiva would be slightly better but I'm viewing this as Double fighting, so having Phillip's half helps.
With striking forms, I think Kiva gains the edge since a large hammer and the armor and strength from Dogga form helps boost him enough that a staff with elemental bonus may not help. Lunar might counter this a bit when used with Metal, but I think Dogga form can beat it in most cases.
The gun form is an interesting one. Bashaa is a good marksman and the gun seems to fire as quickly as Double's Trigger. I think this one is the most balanced form fight in my eyes and it would most come down to who could get the lead in the bullet struggle. Lunar could help again, but I think Bashaa could compensate for it a bit too with his style. Cyclone could help as well, but I never noticed the speed being all that impressive and more just a way to use a wind element.
For the bladed form, I think Double has an advantage. With Fang he has more of a melee style to make up for when he doesn't have his bladed weapons and has several variants to the blades, including a tossable one. Beyond that, Fang seems to have more power behind him due to the circumstances of Fang and being an in-between upgrade. The biggest detractor for him would be that he is a melee-blade style going up against someone who has a consistent sword to use.
Overall, its a tough call since this is just a fraction of how their form changing affects the battle. Kivas forms are strong, but Double's 6 half forms can help him counter things through combinations more than Kivas forms can. Kiva's biggest ability against Double's ability to half-swap forms is to simply become every form as DoGaBaKi. This is a close one to me and going over the data in my head a bunch, I really can't decide who might get the edge in fighting.
Kiva Emperor powers up Kiva a great deal, adding a strong sword to his arsenal. His added bonus to this form is that he can summon the versatility from his previous set of forms and power them up as well.
Double Xtreme powers up Double a great deal, adding a strong sword to his arsenal. The added bonus for this form however is a shield for defense and the ability to analyze the enemy during combat better.
Against each other, I think Kiva has more of an arsenal to use but the ability to better analyze his opponents gives Double an edge in his upgraded form. This lets Double quicker determine how to trump the versatility Kiva has, knocking that bonus for him away a bit. In this sense, I think Double gains more wins with his upgraded form than Kiva would. DoGaBaKi would even the odds with this a bit again, but given that's from Hyper Battle stuff and it doesn't help that much anyways I won't consider it.
For the bonus bike round, its an easy call for me. I like Kiva's style of bike a bit, but the upgrade was scarce and it was easily overshadowed by Castle Doran's usage. Doubles bike, though not as used as I may have liked, had a changing system similar to Liger Zero's from Zoids which was interesting to me and seemed more used than Kiva's bike or it's upgrade.
Base form fight is a tough call but fun to think out. Upgraded I have to go with double and the bike bonus goes to Double as well.
Kamen Rider Kiva vs Kamen Rider Double, I have to go with Kivat. ... I mean Double.
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 9:31 am
With all the forms that double can change into I don't think it would be possible for Kiva to beat him in a normal fight. Luna trigger and can outdo Bashaa form and I think anything with the Joker memory could most likely outdo any of Kiva's other forms. Worst case scenario Double may have to use Fang Joker which in my opinion could make easy work of Dogga, Garulu, Bashaa and even Dogabaki.
Now in there final forms Double and Kiva would be pretty even. In which case I have to go to something other than their armor ability to figure out who would win. The first thing that comes to mind is Phillip. In this fight I'm sure Phillip would be able to devise a plan that would assist them in beating an enemy of equal stregnth. Wataru is no idiot but I don't think he would win a fight like this by outsmarting his opponent.
The main thing Kiva's got going for him in this fight in my opinion is the crazy bat dragon from that I don't have the time to look up the proper name for and castle Doran. For this Double would have to rely on Hardboiler which combined with the versatility of this machine and Kamen Rider Double's quick with I'm sure they could find a way to win.
So in the end I have to go with Double.
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 9:43 am
Usually when I post in these, it'll be in a ref/intermediary position.
However judging by the posts, which is what I use to determine who wins, it looks like I'm going to have to do something.
If nobody posts an argument for Kiva (in the remaining time) I'll post an argument for Kiva, despite the fact that I also think Double would probably win.
Until then, carry on.
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 10:23 am
I wish the people who voted for Kiva would share their opinions.
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 11:12 am
Rider Punch I wish the people who voted for Kiva would share their opinions. Same. But if they don't share arguments, their votes wont count and their favorite rider will automatically lose/lose scores.* *See also the last match/debate.
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 12:15 pm
Soji Tendo Rider Punch I wish the people who voted for Kiva would share their opinions. Same. But if they don't share arguments, their votes wont count and their favorite rider will automatically lose/lose scores.* *See also the last match/debate. Oh, I didn't notice that. That's a good rule.
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 11:27 am
Kiva vs Double is interesting.
Though Kiva can summon help,Double can as well,with 2 types of well types like CYCLONE&JOKER Double will be hard to fight.Kiva can have a hammer,saber,gun.Double has more forms to choose from.If Kiva were in emperor form,it would be equal or if he has all Baasha Dogga Garulu in form than the tides of battle may change.Double has the power of 2 kamen riders but I guess it all comes down on how both riders fight,though voting and discussion may not determine who will win,because we cannot control the power and the strategy of these Kamen Riders,only by simulation may we be able to see what might happen,but since we can't see these riders both fighting each other.I guess voting and discussion work to.
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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:27 pm
i wonder who won?
DOUBLE probably,due to the votes
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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:09 pm
I'm locking this.
I'll add the post argument saying that Kiva would win later. I'm really I'm to busy right now.
@Aru: Who wins is based on the number of posts/arguments for the character only.
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