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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:11 pm
Severus Snape;
Death Eater and Order of the Phoenix member. Good or Evil? Killer or Redeemer? Loyal to Voldemort, Dumbeldore....or.. self?
Please state what you think and why.
I have done intensive study on this topic and read various theories. I myself have swayed back and forth and at this moment have decided there is not enough evidence to sway one way or another....rather there is too much evidence to both.
Reason? Because JK Rowling is such a fantastic kickass writer that for every single positive of Snape there is a negative. Just like his complex and calculating character. She has given us just enough information in the series thus far, to let us sway one way or another.
However.....there are always clues....I believe to truly know the answer you must dive into the books and look for the reason behind the behavior... or lack of... of Severus Snape.
Note: Please refrain from participation in this discussion if you have yet to read the 6th book. I take no responsibility for spoilers.
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 2:03 pm
My big sticking point is the Unbreakable Oath. He didn't have a choice, which is part of the cloudiness of his situation. He HAD to kill Dumbledore.
UNLESS (I just thought of this) the task he was supposed to help Draco with was FIXING THE VANISHING CABINET!! We've all been assuming that he was supposed to help kill Dumbledore, but that might not have been part of it. Maybe Narcissa didn't know that part....
Oh darn. Now I'm confused on the one thing I wasn't confused about....
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Toothsome Conversationalist
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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 2:56 am
I'm really quite content not to hazard a guess. I know that's boring, but the way I look at it, I have zero chance of disappointment at either outcome if I wait to hear the answer from Rowling directly.
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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 5:11 pm
Emerald_Jasmine My big sticking point is the Unbreakable Oath. He didn't have a choice, which is part of the cloudiness of his situation. He HAD to kill Dumbledore. UNLESS (I just thought of this) the task he was supposed to help Draco with was FIXING THE VANISHING CABINET!! We've all been assuming that he was supposed to help kill Dumbledore, but that might not have been part of it. Maybe Narcissa didn't know that part.... Oh darn. Now I'm confused on the one thing I wasn't confused about.... He didn't have to make the Unbreakable Oath, but he chose to. Then, yes he didn't have a choice about killing Dumbledore.
Interesting point I may say, that Dumbeldore had no clue Snape had made the unbreakable vow with Narcissa Malfoy.... why would Snape not tell Dumbledore if he was loyal to him?
Interesting idea about the cabinet....
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 6:54 am
Jaydine He didn't have to make the Unbreakable Oath, but he chose to. Then, yes he didn't have a choice about killing Dumbledore.
Interesting point I may say, that Dumbeldore had no clue Snape had made the unbreakable vow with Narcissa Malfoy.... why would Snape not tell Dumbledore if he was loyal to him?
Interesting idea about the cabinet.... I disagree that he had the choice about the Unbreakable Oath; supposing that Snape really is one of the good guys, he was undercover with the Deatheaters. Deeply under cover. To refuse to do so, over a matter that would be of such importance to a Deatheater, would have blown that cover and ruined the entire operation. I love to hate Snape as much as the next person, but I really believbe that he and Dumbledor planned Dumbledor's death. Dumbledor had been hurt, badly, while tracking down a horcrux, and I believe the felt that he was going to be very limited in what he could do to help the Order from that point onwards. He also realized that his own life was not as important as the information Snape could provide were he in fact loyal. He trusted Snape. I think he knew everything, but was unable to let Harry know, as that was indeed part of the plan as well. Harry, as odd as it seems, now has an actual chance of defeating Voldemort, driven by his anger and need for vengence. Voldemort has taken every semblence of a family Harry has ever posessed away, and Harry was told that in order to use an Unforgiveable Curse, like the killing curse, he has to mean it. Now, Harry means it.
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:14 am
I think it is hard to tell..but Snape didn't really have a choice on killing Dumbledore though since he had made the Unbreakable Vow and I feel that he had done that only to stop Malfoy's Mom from crying....but then again he might have fear Lucius Malfoy and decided not to start arguements there and so he decided to make the vow...but then again he is the 'Half-blood-Prince' and the half-blood-prince seemed pretty strong to me..So Snape might not have wanted to start any aguements in his old group that he was in so to say...because he knew that voldemort would com after him which i think if Snape wanted too he could kill voldemort too....So Snape also helped Dumbledore out with everything that Dumbledore needed....So Snape i would say was bassically Loyal to both side and he was neutral and only wanted James Potter Dead for what he did to him from when he was young....So either way you look at things he is pretty much on both sides and he can't decide who he had wanted to be loyal too more... also when he makes that Unbreakable Vow he has to do what ever he can to protect malfoy....If Malfoy dies Snape dies *Snaps* just like that...No matter what he will die if Malfoy dies...If malfoy didnt kill Dumbledore then Voldermort woudl kill Malfoy and Snape would die
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 5:49 pm
I believe the cabinet thing was all Draco's idea. I don't think Narcissa was talking about the cabinet plan, just about what the Dark Lord told Draco to do that Narcissa knew about. Nice try, though! 3nodding
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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 4:50 pm
Since I started at Remy Lebeau aka Gambit (and some Matthew Fire Emblem 7: rekka no ken)tracks, I will continue:
Since Severus have worked as a spy for in of the parties, he has to decieve to the limit to gain trust in enemy territory.
By doing stuff like the deatheater mark, the unbreakable ritual and ultimatly killing the leader of the Phoenix order, Severus would succeed in gaining full trust from Voldemort.
But points can contradict this like Severus said himself that you can't hide anything from the dark lord(this could prove that Severus worked for Voldemort all this time), but book five could counter that Voldemort isn't as powerful(my impression) as he and 90% of the wizardcommunity claims.
More later after getting some sleep.
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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 8:59 am
There is a Fanfiction that puts a whole new spin on the Snape theories but it is rated NC17 and Snape is a very good guy if any of you are interested Pm me i dont want to just toss out NC 17 to the general public if your not a minor then fine if you are dont read it
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Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 10:32 pm
Well it has taken alot of time, but I finally came to a conclusion. I believe Snape to be Innocent. I think it would be just like JKRowling to make him the hero in the series, perhaps even being the one to kill Voldemort himself. I don't think Dumbledore is dead, and after reading this from wikipedia, I'm content to let things rest until July 7th.
Snape is a respected member of the Order of the Phoenix, but in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince he presumably kills Dumbledore with Avada Kedavra, the Killing Curse. A curious fact to note is that previous occurrences of the Killing Curse, the victim merely crumpled to the floor with their expression intact. In the this occasion, Dumbledore is actually blown from the roof and, when other characters investigate, he is said to have the expression of one who is asleep. This is something overlooked by most, but goes to imply that Dumbledore was not truly killed by the Avada Kedavra curse, but by something else. As was mentioned before, Snape is capable of non-verbal spells and it is possible that he said one spell but cast another. It is not clear to what extent the murder, staged or not, was his choice, however, as his actions were constrained by his Unbreakable Vow sworn to Narcissa Malfoy, which required him to ensure that Draco's task for Voldemort be completed. Draco's task (though it is never said explicitly) is assumed to have been to kill Dumbledore, but as he finally refused to do so, it fell to Snape. It is thought that, because of the amount of time inbetween the Vow and this occurrence, that Snape and Dumbledore might have planned a way to have Severus save Draco from the change taken when one kills another human being.
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:51 pm
This is something that I must have thought over carefully one million times, and each time, I could only think that he was truly trust-worthy. But, it seems, in some spots, he played his part a bit too well.
JKR was very clever about this. Sneaky, even. I don't think we'll ever be really sure whether he was fully trust-worthy or not.
(Good or evil, he'll always be my favorite character. heart )
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