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 Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 4:00 pm
From the anti-ACTA site: ACTA is an abbreviation for the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement. It is an International Treaty that will be pushed to implementation by 2010. It has been discussed in secret since October 2007, and has been leaked by government officials who were against the unconstitutional, ineffective, inhumane, and unlawful nature of such a treaty. Countries affected by this treaty include but are not limited to: Australia, Canada, the European Union, Japan, The Republic of Korea, Mexico, Morocco, New Zealand, Singapore, Switzerland and the United States The official goal of the agreement is the international enforcement of strong intellectual property rights. Some of our concerns include the vague, amorphous manner in which “counterfeit” is used in many of the public comments. These uses run the gamut from undisputedly illegal products to expressly legitimate generic products. We believe that ACTA holds the potential to restrict innovation, consumer choice and freedom on the Internet by it's many restrictions and its changes to the legal front on copyrights. The scope of ACTA includes counterfeit goods, generic medicines, Internet censorship, irrational new downloading laws and what is termed "piracy over the Internet". ACTA is a treaty, which would overcome many court precedents in your own country that defines consumer rights as to "fair use" and would remove any limitations on the application of intellectual property laws. This means that ACTA would overrule any laws in your own country, and deal harsher, unfair and ineffective punishment to anyone suspected of piracy, without a trial in court. If you are just suspected of listening to songs illegally, or uploading anything illegal, you may be dealt with harshly, against the laws of your own country. ACTA also makes Internet Service Providers legally responsible for any of it's users downloaded content. ACTA gives recording industries more rights to enforce copyrights and officers of the law the right to search any digital device for copyrighted material. Did you pay for the songs on your iPod? Under the new law, that instantly classifies you as a criminal, and the same classification as murderers and rapists. You will get a criminal record. Even if you do not download songs onto your iPod, you will feel the effects as millions, possibly billions of dollars in taxpayer's money will be poured in to catch these "criminals", money that can be used to save lives. Part of ACTA deems anyone accused of copyright infringement to "compensate" for the loss in profit to recording companies. They want harsher punishments for these criminals. These recording companies, such as UMG, earn upwards of $1 billion in 2009. However, the RIAA (Recording Industries Association of America) recently sued a 12 year old girl for downloading, as well as many other people. They are seeking $150 000 per song, on allofmp3.com[1]. Links: http://anti-acta.com/http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE67J5A220100821http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_AgreementURL To An Informative Picture of ACTA, if you would like to spread the word.
Discuss whether you think this should be passed, if there should be protesting going on, if it's just scare tactics now, how we can prevent the government from taking control of our lives and freedom based on what we do on the internet, and why we have not heard a damned thing about it until now, days before it is proposed to be passed.
Edit!: I have found websites where you can help fight the ACTA!
This one gives a list of people in the Senate and house that you can email to. You have to be in the respective states, however.
https://secure.eff.org/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=451
States include:
Senate Finance Committee
Max Baucus, Montana
Jay Rockefeller, West Virginia
Kent Conrad, North Dakota
Jeff Bingaman, New Mexico
John Kerry, Massachusetts
Blanche Lincoln, Arkansas
Ron Wyden, Oregon
Charles Schumer, New York
Debbie Stabenow, Michigan
Maria Cantwell, Washington
Bill Nelson, Florida
Robert Menendez, New Jersey
Thomas Carper, Delaware
Chuck Grassley, Iowa
Orrin Hatch, Utah
Olympia Snowe, Maine
Jon Kyl, Arizona
Jim Bunning, Kentucky
Mike Crapo, Idaho
Pat Roberts, Kansas
John Ensign, Nevada
Mike Enzi, Wyoming
John Cornyn, Texas
House Ways and Means Trade Subcommittee
John S. Tanner, 8th Tennessee
Sander M. Levin, 12th Michigan
Chris Van Hollen, 8th Maryland
Jim McDermott, 7th Washington
Richard E. Neal, 2nd Massachusetts
Lloyd Doggett, 25th Texas
Earl Pomeroy, 1st North Dakota
Bob Etheridge, 2nd North Carolina
Linda T. Sanchez, 39th California
Kevin Brady, 8th Texas
Geoff Davis, 4th Kentucky
Dave G. Reichert, 8th Washington
Wally Herger, 2nd California
Devin Nunes, 21st California
Another site that's against the ACTA is gathering verified signatures to put a stop to the treaty.
http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/acta/acta-declaration
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Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 7:14 pm
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Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 11:24 pm
Wow, Really? Thanks!
I've never had a thread stickied before.
I just hope this info reaches people.
It's probably already too late to do anything to prevent it, since they didn't release the documents until this April, (Saying that it would have affected National security if they did earlier), and even once they did it wasn't like widespread known about.
If I had not come across a picture on that randompics website, I wouldn't have even KNOWN.
And no one is talking about it either. It's like most people don't care. Yet.
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Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 11:27 pm
wikipedia Potential border searches are covered by the "Border Measures" proposal of ACTA. As of February 2009, and according to University of Ottawa law professor Michael Geist, there is significant disagreement among countries on this topic: "Some countries are seeking the minimum rules, the removal of certain clauses, and a specific provision to put to rest fears of iPod searching customs officials by excluding personal baggage that contains goods of a non-commercial nature. The U.S. is pushing for broad provisions that cover import, export, and in-transit shipments."[41] Newspapers reported that the draft agreement would empower security officials at airports and other international borders to conduct random ex officio searches of laptops, MP3 players, and cellular phones for illegally downloaded or "ripped" music and movies. Travellers with infringing content would be subject to a fine and may have their devices confiscated or destroyed.[3][42] In July 2008, the United States Department of Homeland Security disclosed that its border search policies allow U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents to conduct random searches of electronic devices for "information concerning terrorism, narcotics smuggling, and other national security matters; alien admissibility; contraband including child pornography, monetary instruments, and information in violation of copyright or trademark laws; and evidence of embargo violations or other import or export control laws."[43][44] US Senator Russell Feingold called the policies "truly alarming" and proposed to introduce legislation to require reasonable suspicion of illegality and to prohibit racial profiling.[43] The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals has previously upheld the constitutionality of laptop searches without reasonable suspicion at border crossings.[43]
Our rights are being taken away little by little, all for the "good of the law". But who said those laws were good in the first place?
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Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 11:33 pm
Wikipedia Threats to Freedom and Fundamental Human Rights:
An open letter signed by many organizations, including Consumers International, EDRi (27 European civil rights and privacy NGOs), the Free Software Foundation (FSF), the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), ASIC (French trade association for web 2.0 companies), and the Free Knowledge Institute (FKI), states that "the current draft of ACTA would profoundly restrict the fundamental rights and freedoms of European citizens, most notably the freedom of expression and communication privacy."[48] The Free Software Foundation argues that ACTA will create a culture of surveillance and suspicion.[49] Aaron Shaw, Research Fellow at the Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University, argues that "ACTA would create unduly harsh legal standards that do not reflect contemporary principles of democratic government, free market exchange, or civil liberties. Even though the precise terms of ACTA remain undecided, the negotiants' preliminary documents reveal many troubling aspects of the proposed agreement" such as removing "legal safeguards that protect Internet Service Providers from liability for the actions of their subscribers" in effect giving ISPs no option but to comply with privacy invasions. Shaw further says that "[ACTA] would also facilitate privacy violations by trademark and copyright holders against private citizens suspected of infringement activities without any sort of legal due process".[50]
The Free Software Foundation (FSF) has published "Speak out against ACTA", stating that the ACTA threatens free software by creating a culture "in which the freedom that is required to produce free software is seen as dangerous and threatening rather than creative, innovative, and exciting."[49] ACTA would also require that existing ISP no longer host free software that can access copyrighted media; this would substantially affect many sites that offer free software or host software projects such as SourceForge. Specifically the FSF argues that ACTA will make it more difficult and expensive to distribute free software via file sharing and P2P technologies like BitTorrent, which are currently used to distribute large amounts of free software. The FSF also argues that ACTA will make it harder for users of free operating systems to play non-free media because DRM protected media would not be legally playable with free software.[49]
On 10 March 2010, the European Parliament adopted a resolution[51] criticizing the ACTA with 663 in favor and 13 against, arguing that "in order to respect fundamental rights, such as the right to freedom of expression and the right to privacy" certain changes in the ACTA content and the process should be made.[51] What I don't get is, on the European Parliament, the last paragraph, - are they arguing in favor of the criticism, therefore against the current ACTA? Or FOR it? I can't tell with the way it's worded.
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Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 11:43 pm
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Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 11:52 pm
I made a thread about this a month ago. http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=19573309The fact that the public only found out about this because it was leaked kind of tells you how close they want it scrutinized. If this passes they'll find out that you can't control the Internet. The Net has a mind and life of its own. No matter what kind of controls are implemented people will find a way around them. The bright side is that this could finally be the straw that broke the camel's back. Most likely it won't though... I don't know how many of you keep your ears to the chans, but there's been an initiative to get Anonymous involved in this at least since Jessi Slaughter became old news. Only time will tell how effective this will be. The Hivemind can only be directed until it grows bored, which doesn't take long.
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Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 11:59 pm
Obscurus I made a thread about this a month ago. http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=19573309The fact that the public only found out about this because it was leaked kind of tells you how close they want it scrutinized. If this passes they'll find out that you can't control the Internet. The Net has a mind and life of its own. No matter what kind of controls are implemented people will find a way around them. The bright side is that this could finally be the straw that broke the camel's back. Most likely it won't though... I don't know how many of you keep your ears to the chans, but there's been an initiative to get Anonymous involved in this at least since Jessi Slaughter became old news. Only time will tell how effective this will be. The Hivemind can only be directed until it grows bored, which doesn't take long. Yes, I know. It's terrible. That's how the kind of bad things always are: hushed up and kept quiet.
I used to go on Chan sites, but have not done so for a while.
That's why I've only just now heard about it from a chan site image, a one in a million shot.
I know they won't be able to control the internet, but they sure as hell can infringe upon our rights and search our laptops, ipods, cellphones etc; when we're bringing them aboard planes or other modes of travel. And you know how fast the laws "against terrorism" are passed, because of the fear of the common people.
I didn't know you had already made a thread about it before, but I just was so surprised that I felt like trying to share the information with anyone who would listen anywhere.
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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 12:08 am
Naynram Ukir Obscurus I made a thread about this a month ago. http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=19573309The fact that the public only found out about this because it was leaked kind of tells you how close they want it scrutinized. If this passes they'll find out that you can't control the Internet. The Net has a mind and life of its own. No matter what kind of controls are implemented people will find a way around them. The bright side is that this could finally be the straw that broke the camel's back. Most likely it won't though... I don't know how many of you keep your ears to the chans, but there's been an initiative to get Anonymous involved in this at least since Jessi Slaughter became old news. Only time will tell how effective this will be. The Hivemind can only be directed until it grows bored, which doesn't take long. Yes, I know. It's terrible. That's how the kind of bad things always are: hushed up and kept quiet.
I used to go on Chan sites, but have not done so for a while.
That's why I've only just now heard about it from a chan site image, a one in a million shot.
I know they won't be able to control the internet, but they sure as hell can infringe upon our rights and search our laptops, ipods, cellphones etc; when we're bringing them aboard planes or other modes of travel. And you know how fast the laws "against terrorism" are passed, because of the fear of the common people.
I didn't know you had already made a thread about it before, but I just was so surprised that I felt like trying to share the information with anyone who would listen anywhere. I understand. I've probably just become very jaded towards all of this. I just thought I'd mention my thread to show that this wasn't the first time someone had tried to bring ACTA to the attention of others. I'm not sure it's going to be practical to search all of those things. Searching the contents of every digital device that crosses a checkpoint with any kind of efficiency is going to take a huge jump in technology to perform. Imagine an airport security checkpoint of today, but imagine that they also look through the entire contents of every digital device that crosses that checkpoint rather than just running it through the X-ray machine. It's just not practical and I have a feeling that the airlines would be very much against it because of how it could affect their bottom line. That's just my perspective though. This will be a pretty piece of legislation on paper, but I don't see any way to make it enforceable. Similar to Australia's attempt to censor the Internet for its citizens. It's just too huge of an undertaking. Too much data.
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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 12:10 am
Obscurus I made a thread about this a month ago. http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=19573309The fact that the public only found out about this because it was leaked kind of tells you how close they want it scrutinized. If this passes they'll find out that you can't control the Internet. The Net has a mind and life of its own. No matter what kind of controls are implemented people will find a way around them. The bright side is that this could finally be the straw that broke the camel's back. Most likely it won't though... I don't know how many of you keep your ears to the chans, but there's been an initiative to get Anonymous involved in this at least since Jessi Slaughter became old news. Only time will tell how effective this will be. The Hivemind can only be directed until it grows bored, which doesn't take long.
Do you have a higher quality version of this pic, by the way?
http://www.p2pnet.net/img/2010/20100329132205a.jpg
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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 12:13 am
Naynram Ukir Obscurus I made a thread about this a month ago. http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=19573309The fact that the public only found out about this because it was leaked kind of tells you how close they want it scrutinized. If this passes they'll find out that you can't control the Internet. The Net has a mind and life of its own. No matter what kind of controls are implemented people will find a way around them. The bright side is that this could finally be the straw that broke the camel's back. Most likely it won't though... I don't know how many of you keep your ears to the chans, but there's been an initiative to get Anonymous involved in this at least since Jessi Slaughter became old news. Only time will tell how effective this will be. The Hivemind can only be directed until it grows bored, which doesn't take long.
Do you have a higher quality version of this pic, by the way?
http://www.p2pnet.net/img/2010/20100329132205a.jpgI'm afraid I don't. I just used the link that someone else had passed on to me.
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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 12:30 am
Obscurus Naynram Ukir Obscurus I made a thread about this a month ago. http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=19573309The fact that the public only found out about this because it was leaked kind of tells you how close they want it scrutinized. If this passes they'll find out that you can't control the Internet. The Net has a mind and life of its own. No matter what kind of controls are implemented people will find a way around them. The bright side is that this could finally be the straw that broke the camel's back. Most likely it won't though... I don't know how many of you keep your ears to the chans, but there's been an initiative to get Anonymous involved in this at least since Jessi Slaughter became old news. Only time will tell how effective this will be. The Hivemind can only be directed until it grows bored, which doesn't take long. Yes, I know. It's terrible. That's how the kind of bad things always are: hushed up and kept quiet.
I used to go on Chan sites, but have not done so for a while.
That's why I've only just now heard about it from a chan site image, a one in a million shot.
I know they won't be able to control the internet, but they sure as hell can infringe upon our rights and search our laptops, ipods, cellphones etc; when we're bringing them aboard planes or other modes of travel. And you know how fast the laws "against terrorism" are passed, because of the fear of the common people.
I didn't know you had already made a thread about it before, but I just was so surprised that I felt like trying to share the information with anyone who would listen anywhere. I understand. I've probably just become very jaded towards all of this. I just thought I'd mention my thread to show that this wasn't the first time someone had tried to bring ACTA to the attention of others. I'm not sure it's going to be practical to search all of those things. Searching the contents of every digital device that crosses a checkpoint with any kind of efficiency is going to take a huge jump in technology to perform. Imagine an airport security checkpoint of today, but imagine that they also look through the entire contents of every digital device that crosses that checkpoint rather than just running it through the X-ray machine. It's just not practical and I have a feeling that the airlines would be very much against it because of how it could affect their bottom line. That's just my perspective though. This will be a pretty piece of legislation on paper, but I don't see any way to make it enforceable. Similar to Australia's attempt to censor the Internet for its citizens. It's just too huge of an undertaking. Too much data.
You're right, but still, it causes a lot of downtime for airports to check every part of your body to make sure you don't have anything "dangerous" such as a water bottle or something; so how much harder would it be trying to confiscate other peoples items?
I heard, in one country Ipads or something had to be confiscated, but then were returned once the travelers were returning.
Who is to say they won't check what's on a person's hard drive in that way, in the name of "terrorism"?
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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 7:57 pm
Naynram Ukir Obscurus Naynram Ukir Obscurus I made a thread about this a month ago. http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=19573309The fact that the public only found out about this because it was leaked kind of tells you how close they want it scrutinized. If this passes they'll find out that you can't control the Internet. The Net has a mind and life of its own. No matter what kind of controls are implemented people will find a way around them. The bright side is that this could finally be the straw that broke the camel's back. Most likely it won't though... I don't know how many of you keep your ears to the chans, but there's been an initiative to get Anonymous involved in this at least since Jessi Slaughter became old news. Only time will tell how effective this will be. The Hivemind can only be directed until it grows bored, which doesn't take long. Yes, I know. It's terrible. That's how the kind of bad things always are: hushed up and kept quiet.
I used to go on Chan sites, but have not done so for a while.
That's why I've only just now heard about it from a chan site image, a one in a million shot.
I know they won't be able to control the internet, but they sure as hell can infringe upon our rights and search our laptops, ipods, cellphones etc; when we're bringing them aboard planes or other modes of travel. And you know how fast the laws "against terrorism" are passed, because of the fear of the common people.
I didn't know you had already made a thread about it before, but I just was so surprised that I felt like trying to share the information with anyone who would listen anywhere. I understand. I've probably just become very jaded towards all of this. I just thought I'd mention my thread to show that this wasn't the first time someone had tried to bring ACTA to the attention of others. I'm not sure it's going to be practical to search all of those things. Searching the contents of every digital device that crosses a checkpoint with any kind of efficiency is going to take a huge jump in technology to perform. Imagine an airport security checkpoint of today, but imagine that they also look through the entire contents of every digital device that crosses that checkpoint rather than just running it through the X-ray machine. It's just not practical and I have a feeling that the airlines would be very much against it because of how it could affect their bottom line. That's just my perspective though. This will be a pretty piece of legislation on paper, but I don't see any way to make it enforceable. Similar to Australia's attempt to censor the Internet for its citizens. It's just too huge of an undertaking. Too much data.
You're right, but still, it causes a lot of downtime for airports to check every part of your body to make sure you don't have anything "dangerous" such as a water bottle or something; so how much harder would it be trying to confiscate other peoples items?
I heard, in one country Ipads or something had to be confiscated, but then were returned once the travelers were returning.
Who is to say they won't check what's on a person's hard drive in that way, in the name of "terrorism"?
If you know in advance that they're going to confiscate it at the airport then why take it to the airport for them to snoop in it?
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