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 Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 3:30 am
rofl OH MY GOD! Holy s**t... almost twice the price, and the M3 was less than a tenth of a second ahead (about half a second behind in the hands of the non-pro driver!) in the Streets of Willow road course and lost the quarter-mile to the Mustang. ******** Ford is kicking some a**! Quote: "God bless America! Let's hear it for the Mustang. To me, that is a giant win for the Mustang GT because the BMW is such formidable competition." Ultimate Driving Machine, my a**. Wish they brought a Corvette along for some fun and spankage.
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 4:06 am
M3's are nothing very special. My current boss has one, and we went for a spin after we put some fresh discs and pads on it to bed the whole package in. I've tried the SST version as well.
I wish they didn't cost so much; they might sell much, much better if they were marked down. Their performance doesn't justify the price, either. The only one I would be willing to pay money for would be the CSL, and even then just to collect it(yeah, I wish I had that kind of cash...) as a limited edition to sell later.
Bahnstormer my bum(the performance difference between a fully tuned M3 and my old car was quite big at Philip Island; we had time on it every section. The only place where the time difference wasn't that big was the front straight. Where we ran out of both gears and revs.) This bloke's engine, apparently cost as much as my entire car, too.
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:13 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMFOC5qG2mc&feature=related'Nuff said. Anyways, I always had serious respect for the E92. I thought it was Germany's response to my car. I knew mine was faster, but I never suspected the M3 was too far behind. That is, until the other night when one was pestering me on the freeway. I didn't just beat it, I belittled it. It wasn't even close.
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 8:31 pm
I've never been a fan of the M3. I've never been a fan of the Mustang. But, kudos to cheap American sports cars. "Victory" well earned. Next year I hope the Mustang can actually out-perform the overpriced M3, instead of just barely trailing behind.
You have to consider though, that half a second slower around a track is actually a bigger defeat than you imagine. If it happened to be a multiple lap race, just two laps would put it an entire minute down the board. Consider that a 10 second gap in FIA GT1 is about the difference between 1st and 10th place.
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 9:14 pm
Chron0s I've never been a fan of the M3. I've never been a fan of the Mustang. But, kudos to cheap American sports cars. "Victory" well earned. Next year I hope the Mustang can actually out-perform the overpriced M3, instead of just barely trailing behind. You have to consider though, that half a second slower around a track is actually a bigger defeat than you imagine. If it happened to be a multiple lap race, just two laps would put it an entire minute down the board. Consider that a 10 second gap in FIA GT1 is about the difference between 1st and 10th place.
Well aren't we little miss spoil sport. I think it is understood that over the course of an actual race that even such a small margin will add up. But for pure 'bang for your buck' rating it is still a stunning defeat. Plus if you're really worried about that 1/10th of a second I'm sure a bolt on Ford Racing suspension and supercharger will fix that, and still come out under budget.
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 9:30 pm
Levis Pennae Chron0s I've never been a fan of the M3. I've never been a fan of the Mustang. But, kudos to cheap American sports cars. "Victory" well earned. Next year I hope the Mustang can actually out-perform the overpriced M3, instead of just barely trailing behind. You have to consider though, that half a second slower around a track is actually a bigger defeat than you imagine. If it happened to be a multiple lap race, just two laps would put it an entire minute down the board. Consider that a 10 second gap in FIA GT1 is about the difference between 1st and 10th place. Little miss spoil sport? What do you mean? Sorry, maybe, I'm not as clever as you are.
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Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:18 am
Levis Pennae Chron0s I've never been a fan of the M3. I've never been a fan of the Mustang. But, kudos to cheap American sports cars. "Victory" well earned. Next year I hope the Mustang can actually out-perform the overpriced M3, instead of just barely trailing behind. You have to consider though, that half a second slower around a track is actually a bigger defeat than you imagine. If it happened to be a multiple lap race, just two laps would put it an entire minute down the board. Consider that a 10 second gap in FIA GT1 is about the difference between 1st and 10th place. Problem with going forced induction, especially from production, is the cost to produce the parts needed for it. In Mustang volumes, it may not make economic sense to the beancounters to do it compared to say, a Ka(turbocharge THAT, instant rocketship!) I for one vote to take FPV(Ford Performance Vehicles) over to the US and let them have a play. twisted
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Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:44 am
Joey Crash Levis Pennae Chron0s I've never been a fan of the M3. I've never been a fan of the Mustang. But, kudos to cheap American sports cars. "Victory" well earned. Next year I hope the Mustang can actually out-perform the overpriced M3, instead of just barely trailing behind. You have to consider though, that half a second slower around a track is actually a bigger defeat than you imagine. If it happened to be a multiple lap race, just two laps would put it an entire minute down the board. Consider that a 10 second gap in FIA GT1 is about the difference between 1st and 10th place. Problem with going forced induction, especially from production, is the cost to produce the parts needed for it. In Mustang volumes, it may not make economic sense to the beancounters to do it compared to say, a Ka(turbocharge THAT, instant rocketship!) I for one vote to take FPV(Ford Performance Vehicles) over to the US and let them have a play. twisted
They actually do produce a supercharged variant of the Mustang called the Shelby GT series.
We have our own version, Ford Racing. It's more geared towards winning hearts at drag strips then anywhere else.
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Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:47 am
Chron0s Levis Pennae Chron0s I've never been a fan of the M3. I've never been a fan of the Mustang. But, kudos to cheap American sports cars. "Victory" well earned. Next year I hope the Mustang can actually out-perform the overpriced M3, instead of just barely trailing behind. You have to consider though, that half a second slower around a track is actually a bigger defeat than you imagine. If it happened to be a multiple lap race, just two laps would put it an entire minute down the board. Consider that a 10 second gap in FIA GT1 is about the difference between 1st and 10th place. Little miss spoil sport? What do you mean? Sorry, maybe, I'm not as clever as you are.
Well you kinda took a great topic, took a minor detail, and used it to slaughter the whole thing while simultaneously ignoring the basic premise of the topic.
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Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 3:21 pm
That and the BMW M3 was the one that was half a second behind when both were not driven by the professional driver. Recheck the context of my post, and you'll see that Chr0nos just misread a bit and thought that it meant the Mustang was the one that was half a second slower. Again, so everyone is clear, the BMW was the slower one in the hands of the very well experienced (as in he drives and writes about cars for a living), yet not totally professional, driver.
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Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:45 pm
How good would the Mustang be if it had independent suspension? surprised
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Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 9:07 pm
Millefune That and the BMW M3 was the one that was half a second behind when both were not driven by the professional driver. Recheck the context of my post, and you'll see that Chr0nos just misread a bit and thought that it meant the Mustang was the one that was half a second slower. Again, so everyone is clear, the BMW was the slower one in the hands of the very well experienced (as in he drives and writes about cars for a living), yet not totally professional, driver. Oh right, sorry, Mille. Bit of a mix-up there.
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 12:19 pm
I can't believe I forgot this. But, BMW is good at making sedans. That's what they do. I've never really liked the M3 coupe. But, I love the M5 and I'm kind of fond of the M3 sedan. How does the M3 Sedan do against similar comparable 4-doors? Is there any sedan even in this market to go head-to-head with the M3 sedan? Can't be the CTS-V, that thing's in the M5's market-range. Maybe the Jaguar XF-R? But, what about American 4-doors in that price range?
It just popped into my head the other day, and I wondered how well the M3 sedan stacked up against the competition. The coupe, I think, is certainly overpriced for its performance, and it can't be for luxury that thing is tiny. But, add another 2 doors and luxury comes into play and the M3 goes into a whole different "car-class", no longer playing with coupes.
I just found out my recruiter (well, now my Petty Officer), does not have any ordinary M3. It's actually an M3 sedan that he waited months and months for. I have reason to suspect that it's a EuDM. Pretty cool.
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 12:39 pm
The CTS-V is in the M3's price range and market. It's the only American car that's in the M3 Sedan's class as far as comparos go. Unfortunately, the CTS model line is stuck right between the 3 and 5 series in size. Until the ATS comes out, it's the only thing that can be compared to the 3 series... which is totally overrated. I hate how BMWs always win comparos because of subjective points... their steering feel is good, but not THAT good. And the interiors are old-looking and boring as ********. I was ticked, and finally gave into what everyone was saying about C&D being bought out by BMW when they said that the CTS-V's interior was no match for the M3's.  Only a BMW fanatic fanboy would say some bullshit about the M3's interior being nicer.
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 1:12 pm
I definitely agree. That Caddy's interior seems much more up-to-date and definitely very exciting. How's Cadillac's customer support? Maintenance quality, overall dealership attitude, etc? I've heard quite a lot of bad things about BMW dealerships and a whole great deal of a lot of heartache over BMW's breaking left and right. But, yet, I'm still willing to take the jump because of that glorious V10's sound. If the CTS-V had a V10 that produced that kind of noise. Hello, Cadillac; Good-bye, BMW. In fact, I've been following this story for quite a while on the M5Board, but recently this story has been spreading everywhere. It's about a BMW "stealership" (a name people on the board have grown fond of calling the dealerships), that totally destroyed an E60 M5 on a test drive, when the only reason it was in there in the first place was for an oil change. Link here: J
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