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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 2:04 am


I'm more than a little surprised that no one has made a thread like this, yet.

Anyway, I think all of us have a little soft spot for Tali. She's like the extremely intelligent, practical, introverted and somewhat nerdy exchange student in the back of the room. She's come a long way to be where she is now and she's seen too many horrible things in her original environment, so she makes the most of her time. When you talk to her, you can sense she's very serious and erudite in her rhetoric, but start to talk personal and a level of naive shyness and genuine "cuteness" peeks through the learned exterior. These qualities have garnered Tali a large and loyal fanbase.

This is ironic, considering the simple fact that nobody knows what she looks like beneath the mask.

We know that, generally, quarians are shorter and of slighter build than humans. They have an endoskeleton, a nose, lips, teeth, and two eyes with eyelids and tear ducts. Their eyes appear to glow, but this may be a trick of the light caused by the glass faceplates of their helmets. It cannot be confirmed. Quarians also have three thick fingers on both hands which include a thumb and an index finger, as well as three toes on each foot. In Mass Effect: Ascension, it is said that their ears or ear analogues differ in a noticeable fashion from those of humans. In other words, we know basic quarian anatomy.

This thread is devoted to serious discussion about Tali's appearance. I don't want to see any "crack" comments or pictures.

Here are some pictures I found that I think portray Tali well:

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This pic is my personal favorite. It was created by an artist called Vespaz and originally posted in BioWare's official Mass Effect forums. Although it's probably highly unlikely that Tali looks like this, it's still a very cute, very interesting, very realistic portrayal. If you look closely enough, you can see that Tali's skin is so pale it is very nearly translucent, with fine traceries of veins and arteries just barely visible underneath. She also appears somewhat shriveled. Again, if you look closely enough, you can see that her complexion is similar to that of the unmasked Darth Vader in Return of the Jedi, a character who also spent the majority of his life in a suit. Unfortunately, this depiction of Tali is probably far too human for BioWare's tastes. Then again, the asari are perfectly human in appearance, save for their heads.

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This pic is another good one, and probably far more accurate. Can't see much, though.

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Another cute one. One of the bigger debates among the Mass Effect fanbase seems to be whether or not quarians have hair. I feel I should point out that living in a suit for the majority of your life does not necessarily mean you will lose your hair, even after several generations.

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Another interesting pic. Her hair style looks a little too stylish, especially for someone who is usually wearing a helmet, but her complexion is probably accurate. The facial markings are a nice touch, but those glassy white eyes make her look blind. Or dead.

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Some concept sketches by an amateur artist. These sketches draw heavily upon the idea of quarians as "space gypsies". The artist said that the texture of the skin was inspired by that of amphibians. This is unlikely, as Legion states in Mass Effect 2 that the quarian homeworld, Rannoch, is more arid than Earth. In that kind of climate, an amphibian's skin would dry out. Also, the nose doesn't quite match what we can see through the faceplate.

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This pic is probably the most accurate. Suitably human, but suitably alien, as well. If BioWare decides to reveal Tali's face, it'll probably look something like this.

That being said, I'm not so sure we'll ever see Tali's face. After having our hopes raised and subsequently dashed in Mass Effect 2, it's beginning to seem as if any sort of revelation whatsoever will be somewhat of a letdown. Perhaps it would be better if BioWare decided to preserve her mystique, instead.

What do you think? I'd love to hear your thoughts on the subject.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 9:14 pm


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They most likely wont show Tali's face, given that so many people have preconceptions of what they think she looks like, so If Bioware did I know people would get pissed because Bioware's version is not theirs. Sorta of like what Bungie has done with Master Chief.

Personally I think it might be a combination of the 2nd and 6th picture.

What I also want to know is what the Volus look like with out their pressure suits.

I know you didn't want any "crack" posts, but gkar1701 post if funny as hell.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:26 am


Nerevar Telvanni
They most likely wont show Tali's face, given that so many people have preconceptions of what they think she looks like, so If Bioware did I know people would get pissed because Bioware's version is not theirs. Sorta of like what Bungie has done with Master Chief.


They probably won't, but I can't say for certain. It seems to me to be a lose-lose situation. If you reveal her face, you'll alienate all the people who had their own preconceived notions of what she looked like beneath the mask. If you don't, you'll alienate all the people who wanted to see it. I'd like to think that most Mass Effect fans are mature enough to deal with it either way, but I know that's naive.


Nerevar Telvanni
Personally I think it might be a combination of the 2nd and 6th picture.


Really? Why do you think that?


Nerevar Telvanni
What I also want to know is what the Volus look like with out their pressure suits.


It's not impossible, if the Normandy ever visits a volus world, but it's highly unlikely. The volus have never played a major part in the Mass Effect series, so I don't think there's a large demand to see them "unmasked".


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I know you didn't want any "crack" posts, but gkar1701 post if funny as hell.


It is funny, but I specifically said that I didn't want to see them. Not here, anyway. If you want to make a "crack" post, create your own thread for it.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 4:09 pm


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Personally I think it might be a combination of the 2nd and 6th picture.


Really? Why do you think that?


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The reason behind my thinking is that the last picture with no hair and the more pale skin combine with the eyes from the 2nd picture, every-time we see a Quarian there eyes have that white glow to them.

If anything I don't believe that the Quarians look anything i like humans other than the fact they are bipedal, look at the Turian's for example. I think that different amino acid difference might also by a factor, but I could be wrong. Know that I think about it, I would combine the facial feature from the sketch drawings.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 4:18 pm


The first one is really cute, but I doubt Quarians look like that.
@Nerevar Telvanni: Yes turians don't look like humans, but their bodies aren't quite shaped the same way, either Quarians body shapes are a lot like humans (except their hands and feet), so I think they would have a slightly human appearance.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 7:24 pm


I think the texture of the quarians is more scaly. The only species that have seen the quarians are the asari and krogan. Grunt grouped quarians with Turians in saying they weren't squishy. He couldn't have meant the environmental suits, at least I don't think so. Okeer must have shown him images of them without a suit or something. I personally like the last image of a quarian.
I wouldn't be disappointed if they revealed how they look.
I really hope they do.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 9:07 pm


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The first one is really cute, but I doubt Quarians look like that.
@Nerevar Telvanni: Yes turians don't look like humans, but their bodies aren't quite shaped the same way, either Quarians body shapes are a lot like humans (except their hands and feet), so I think they would have a slightly human appearance.


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Quarians may be humanoid looking, but they are far from the physical resemblance that the Asri, Drell, have with Humans.

Asari and Drell are the only species that resemble humans in any fashion at least with basic body design in the appendages. Similar height hands, feet

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I think the texture of the quarians is more scaly. The only species that have seen the quarians are the asari and krogan. Grunt grouped quarians with Turians in saying they weren't squishy. He couldn't have meant the environmental suits, at least I don't think so. Okeer must have shown him images of them without a suit or something. I personally like the last image of a quarian.
I wouldn't be disappointed if they revealed how they look.
I really hope they do.


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That's right, I forgot about that line from Grunt. "You got to work the knife"

"According to Legion, an advanced geth mobile platform, Rannoch is more arid than Earth, and its star is older, making it more orange than Sol".

So such like the Drell homeworld Rakhana which is also dry and barren planet, covered in rocky deserts.

The dry and arid planets could force the inhabitants to develop thicker skin, thus make the Quarians hard to kill like the Turians, The turian homeworld, Palaven, has a metal-poor core, generating a weak magnetic field and allowing more solar radiation into the atmosphere. To deal with this, most forms of life on Palaven evolved some form of metallic 'exoskeleton' to protect themselves.

I think most people think the Quarian look more "human" is so they can connect better with Tail as a love interest, but I could be wrong.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 9:33 pm


Nerevar Telvanni
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They most likely wont show Tali's face, given that so many people have preconceptions of what they think she looks like, so If Bioware did I know people would get pissed because Bioware's version is not theirs. Sorta of like what Bungie has done with Master Chief.

Personally I think it might be a combination of the 2nd and 6th picture.

What I also want to know is what the Volus look like with out their pressure suits.

I know you didn't want any "crack" posts, but gkar1701 post if funny as hell.

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I'm kinda hoping that we get a Volus teammate in Mass Effect 3, that would be amusing, but also kinda cool. There's gotta be some badass Volus out there.

For some reason I always imagine that quarians are really soft under their armor, particularly from the smooth-looking face, from what can be seen at least. It makes sense that their skin may actually be tough though given the arid homeworld, the quarian hands and feet kinda remind me of a reptile.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:29 pm


Nerevar Telvanni
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The first one is really cute, but I doubt Quarians look like that.
@Nerevar Telvanni: Yes turians don't look like humans, but their bodies aren't quite shaped the same way, either Quarians body shapes are a lot like humans (except their hands and feet), so I think they would have a slightly human appearance.


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Quarians may be humanoid looking, but they are far from the physical resemblance that the Asri, Drell, have with Humans.

Asari and Drell are the only species that resemble humans in any fashion at least with basic body design in the appendages. Similar height hands, feet

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"Far from the physical resemblance that the asari or drell have with humans"? How so? They have a nose, lips, teeth, and two eyes with eyelids. They have everything that we have, except maybe ears. You can see it through their masks.


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I think the texture of the quarians is more scaly. The only species that have seen the quarians are the asari and krogan. Grunt grouped quarians with Turians in saying they weren't squishy. He couldn't have meant the environmental suits, at least I don't think so. Okeer must have shown him images of them without a suit or something. I personally like the last image of a quarian.
I wouldn't be disappointed if they revealed how they look.
I really hope they do.


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That's right, I forgot about that line from Grunt. "You got to work the knife"

"According to Legion, an advanced geth mobile platform, Rannoch is more arid than Earth, and its star is older, making it more orange than Sol".

So such like the Drell homeworld Rakhana which is also dry and barren planet, covered in rocky deserts.

The dry and arid planets could force the inhabitants to develop thicker skin, thus make the Quarians hard to kill like the Turians, The turian homeworld, Palaven, has a metal-poor core, generating a weak magnetic field and allowing more solar radiation into the atmosphere. To deal with this, most forms of life on Palaven evolved some form of metallic 'exoskeleton' to protect themselves.

I think most people think the Quarian look more "human" is so they can connect better with Tail as a love interest, but I could be wrong.

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It's possible that Grunt simply meant that quarian tissue is denser than human tissue. Projectiles can pierce a quarian's skin just as easily as they do a human's. Also, nowhere in the Mass Effect universe is it ever said that quarians have scales. Not even in the novels.


Balvyne
For some reason I always imagine that quarians are really soft under their armor, particularly from the smooth-looking face, from what can be seen at least. It makes sense that their skin may actually be tough though given the arid homeworld, the quarian hands and feet kinda remind me of a reptile.


You bring up a good point with the smooth-looking face, but there isn't a reptile on the planet that has three toes.
PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 9:01 pm


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The first one is really cute, but I doubt Quarians look like that.
@Nerevar Telvanni: Yes turians don't look like humans, but their bodies aren't quite shaped the same way, either Quarians body shapes are a lot like humans (except their hands and feet), so I think they would have a slightly human appearance.


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Quarians may be humanoid looking, but they are far from the physical resemblance that the Asri, Drell, have with Humans.

Asari and Drell are the only species that resemble humans in any fashion at least with basic body design in the appendages. Similar height hands, feet

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"Far from the physical resemblance that the asari or drell have with humans"? How so? They have a nose, lips, teeth, and two eyes with eyelids. They have everything that we have, except maybe ears. You can see it through their masks.


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I think the texture of the quarians is more scaly. The only species that have seen the quarians are the asari and krogan. Grunt grouped quarians with Turians in saying they weren't squishy. He couldn't have meant the environmental suits, at least I don't think so. Okeer must have shown him images of them without a suit or something. I personally like the last image of a quarian.
I wouldn't be disappointed if they revealed how they look.
I really hope they do.


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That's right, I forgot about that line from Grunt. "You got to work the knife"

"According to Legion, an advanced geth mobile platform, Rannoch is more arid than Earth, and its star is older, making it more orange than Sol".

So such like the Drell homeworld Rakhana which is also dry and barren planet, covered in rocky deserts.

The dry and arid planets could force the inhabitants to develop thicker skin, thus make the Quarians hard to kill like the Turians, The turian homeworld, Palaven, has a metal-poor core, generating a weak magnetic field and allowing more solar radiation into the atmosphere. To deal with this, most forms of life on Palaven evolved some form of metallic 'exoskeleton' to protect themselves.

I think most people think the Quarian look more "human" is so they can connect better with Tail as a love interest, but I could be wrong.

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It's possible that Grunt simply meant that quarian tissue is denser than human tissue. Projectiles can pierce a quarian's skin just as easily as they do a human's. Also, nowhere in the Mass Effect universe is it ever said that quarians have scales. Not even in the novels.


Balvyne
For some reason I always imagine that quarians are really soft under their armor, particularly from the smooth-looking face, from what can be seen at least. It makes sense that their skin may actually be tough though given the arid homeworld, the quarian hands and feet kinda remind me of a reptile.


You bring up a good point with the smooth-looking face, but there isn't a reptile on the planet that has three toes.


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I meant more in the general humanoid look, arms and legs, not facial features.
I know that no where is it said that Quarin's have scales. It was just an example that their homeworld could have an influence as to why they are not "squishy."

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 3:25 pm


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The first one is really cute, but I doubt Quarians look like that.
@Nerevar Telvanni: Yes turians don't look like humans, but their bodies aren't quite shaped the same way, either Quarians body shapes are a lot like humans (except their hands and feet), so I think they would have a slightly human appearance.


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Quarians may be humanoid looking, but they are far from the physical resemblance that the Asri, Drell, have with Humans.

Asari and Drell are the only species that resemble humans in any fashion at least with basic body design in the appendages. Similar height hands, feet

User Image


"Far from the physical resemblance that the asari or drell have with humans"? How so? They have a nose, lips, teeth, and two eyes with eyelids. They have everything that we have, except maybe ears. You can see it through their masks.


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I think the texture of the quarians is more scaly. The only species that have seen the quarians are the asari and krogan. Grunt grouped quarians with Turians in saying they weren't squishy. He couldn't have meant the environmental suits, at least I don't think so. Okeer must have shown him images of them without a suit or something. I personally like the last image of a quarian.
I wouldn't be disappointed if they revealed how they look.
I really hope they do.


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That's right, I forgot about that line from Grunt. "You got to work the knife"

"According to Legion, an advanced geth mobile platform, Rannoch is more arid than Earth, and its star is older, making it more orange than Sol".

So such like the Drell homeworld Rakhana which is also dry and barren planet, covered in rocky deserts.

The dry and arid planets could force the inhabitants to develop thicker skin, thus make the Quarians hard to kill like the Turians, The turian homeworld, Palaven, has a metal-poor core, generating a weak magnetic field and allowing more solar radiation into the atmosphere. To deal with this, most forms of life on Palaven evolved some form of metallic 'exoskeleton' to protect themselves.

I think most people think the Quarian look more "human" is so they can connect better with Tail as a love interest, but I could be wrong.

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It's possible that Grunt simply meant that quarian tissue is denser than human tissue. Projectiles can pierce a quarian's skin just as easily as they do a human's. Also, nowhere in the Mass Effect universe is it ever said that quarians have scales. Not even in the novels.


Balvyne
For some reason I always imagine that quarians are really soft under their armor, particularly from the smooth-looking face, from what can be seen at least. It makes sense that their skin may actually be tough though given the arid homeworld, the quarian hands and feet kinda remind me of a reptile.


You bring up a good point with the smooth-looking face, but there isn't a reptile on the planet that has three toes.


Mmm perhaps, I didn't really think hard about it though, just a thought from reading this topic. The way their legs are shaped more than anything, I always think their legs look kinda like raptor legs. Originally I figured quarians were like a softer and squishier, and differently formed human underneath the suit, till the thought that they could actually have tough skin.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 4:34 pm


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I meant more in the general humanoid look, arms and legs, not facial features.
I know that no where is it said that Quarin's have scales. It was just an example that their homeworld could have an influence as to why they are not "squishy."

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Other than their hands and their legs, quarians are perfectly humanoid. Also, as I said, denser muscle tissue or a smaller percentage body fat could explain why they aren't as "squishy" as other races.


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Mmm perhaps, I didn't really think hard about it though, just a thought from reading this topic. The way their legs are shaped more than anything, I always think their legs look kinda like raptor legs. Originally I figured quarians were like a softer and squishier, and differently formed human underneath the suit, till the thought that they could actually have tough skin.


I can't tell if quarians actually have backward-bending knees or if they're simply digitigrade. However, theropod dinosaurs and birds are not the only digitigrade animals on Earth. In fact, most mammals are also digitigrade.

This supports a "mammalian" ancestry for quarians, as females they have or appear to have mammary glands, as well.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 4:40 pm


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I meant more in the general humanoid look, arms and legs, not facial features.
I know that no where is it said that Quarin's have scales. It was just an example that their homeworld could have an influence as to why they are not "squishy."

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Other than their hands and their legs, quarians are perfectly humanoid. Also, as I said, denser muscle tissue or a smaller percentage body fat could explain why they aren't as "squishy" as other races.


Balvyne
Mmm perhaps, I didn't really think hard about it though, just a thought from reading this topic. The way their legs are shaped more than anything, I always think their legs look kinda like raptor legs. Originally I figured quarians were like a softer and squishier, and differently formed human underneath the suit, till the thought that they could actually have tough skin.


I can't tell if quarians actually have backward-bending knees or if they're simply digitigrade. However, theropod dinosaurs and birds are not the only digitigrade animals on Earth. In fact, most mammals are also digitigrade.

This supports a "mammalian" ancestry for quarians, as females they have or appear to have mammary glands, as well.

I would assume that they are digitigrade
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