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 Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 10:49 am
Here's something that made me angry. There I was, happily debating abortion in the ED, when all of a sudden, here comes this jerk, telling me that I don't have a valid point because I'm pro-life, and gay.
Can I have some feedback on this ludicrous statement?Mcphee, I have a question for you. You mentioned earlier that you are gay. Do you live a completely gay lifestyle, with no heterosexual activity whatsoever? If so, then do you really have a valid stake in this issue? It seems a bit... I don't know if "hypocritical" is the right word, but it seems a bit something to suggest that other people are morally obligated to suffer the burdens of pregnancy, childbirth and parenthood when your lifestyle affords you the luxury of not having to worry about it. I was reluctant to play this card as it somewhat applies to me as well. I'm a heterosexual male who is happily as sterile as a surgeon's scalpel, so I also have the luxury of engaging in the sexual activity of my choice without worrying about causing a pregnancy. The difference is that I'm pro-choice. I'm not suggesting that other people should be legally required to endure a responsibility that I myself am free of. Which, I've decided, makes it valid for me to present this argument without being hypocritical.
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Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 12:07 pm
What you have to remember (As I've said before, many a time. You remember, I'm sure xp ) is the fact that the choicer mindset and the lifer mindset are completely different. As well as our reasons for believing the way we do.
The choicers are more worried about a woman's body, and the rights of a woman to her body. While we worry about the fetuses life and the rights of a fetus to its life. So while his arguement would be valid if presented while discussing a woman's right to her body, period, it's not while in lue of the fact we're arguing for the fetus's life.
It would be like someone stating that poor people couldn't be against slavery because they would never have enough money to own a slave anyway, and it's none of their business what other people do.
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Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 1:10 pm
Erm....isn't that sorta like saying, "Well, I'm rich and as I am rich never have to worry about losing money. On the other hand, there are some people who are poor, and they need money. As I am rich, it is not for me to say they cannot steal, because I have financial security and never have to worry about providing for a family, but these poor people do, so theft is perfectly reasonable and should be legal."
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 6:32 am
lymelady Erm....isn't that sorta like saying, "Well, I'm rich and as I am rich never have to worry about losing money. On the other hand, there are some people who are poor, and they need money. As I am rich, it is not for me to say they cannot steal, because I have financial security and never have to worry about providing for a family, but these poor people do, so theft is perfectly reasonable and should be legal." Not exactly how I was going to word it, but I agree. Being gay doesn't mean you can't be pro-life. Pro-life is about basically giving things the chance to live (though it's not exactly dependant on the quality of life - just that life is being given) and therefore being gay doesn't mean you can't be pro-life. "Oh, but you can't have children!!" Two words: Sperm Bank. stare Just because a person is gay doesn't mean they can't be supportive of life or protect it. Let's just say that a lesbian goes to the sperm bank, picks up a gay man's sperm, and then impregnates herself with it. Then she changes her mind and gets an abortion. See? Gay and pro-choice right there. Now, if someone could be gay and pro-choice, then they could therefore be pro-life and argue that getting an abortion like that is completely wrong - and sick in a way. (Why get pregnant by choice [to the extreme] if you weren't sure about it? That's like giving a homeless man bread and then yanking it back as he's about to bite it screaming "PSYCHE!"
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:35 pm
Okay this is just blatant hypocrisy. If there was a gay man who was pro-choice they would all for it and say that any one has the right to care about a woman’s “right“.
Mcphee has every right to think that life should be protected. No one would say that he can not be against a man raping a woman because he is not a woman and would not have sex with women. So why would it apply here? Besides as far as I know Mcphee has a functioning p***s and a normal sperm count. If he wanted to he could find a woman to be a sirget for him.
(Sorry about necromancing the thread I just really think this hypocrisy is disgusting. )
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:49 pm
I don't get it either. You're free to have an opinion that you want. Anyone can be pro-life who wants to be. It's your choice.
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:41 pm
Ironicly they call them selves prochoice
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:02 pm
Logical fallacy of Ad Hominem- Who you are has nothing to do with your argument. They are attacking YOU to get at your argument, and this is illogical and not the point of your argument. Unless for some retarded reason you argued that you were pro-life BECAUSE you are gay and want to control people.
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:57 pm
God, this thread is old.
Maybe it'll do better on the second go-around!
Anyway, I remember when that happened. I was so pissed, if I was confronted with that statement, I would borderline call him homophobic.
Because looking at that statement again, it is.
As well as ad hominem, as seraph said.
I may as well mention that this thread was made by me back in the day, (Hence the old style text) when I knew very little about being pro-life, as opposed to now, when this guild has given me so much ammo of logic to back up my statements with.
Lalala.
That guy was an idiot. 3nodding
xd
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:02 am
I keep necromancing the threads.. *Looks out for some one zapping her*
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:03 pm
reggie _chan I keep necromancing the threads.. *Looks out for some one zapping her* Psh, we don't mind. I mean, it's kind of funny because you're necroing stuff from waaaay back, and they aren't even the major long threads, but there's not any other activity here in the main forum. sweatdrop So anything to get people talking!
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:22 pm
You're bringing back good memories ^^ And reminding me of how much I've grown.
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:14 pm
I.Am reggie _chan I keep necromancing the threads.. *Looks out for some one zapping her* Psh, we don't mind. I mean, it's kind of funny because you're necroing stuff from waaaay back, and they aren't even the major long threads, but there's not any other activity here in the main forum. sweatdrop So anything to get people talking! I still feel nervous.
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:16 pm
divineseraph Logical fallacy of Ad Hominem- Who you are has nothing to do with your argument. They are attacking YOU to get at your argument, and this is illogical and not the point of your argument. Unless for some retarded reason you argued that you were pro-life BECAUSE you are gay and want to control people. That would be a retarded argument. *Fails at political correctness*
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:30 pm
reggie _chan I.Am reggie _chan I keep necromancing the threads.. *Looks out for some one zapping her* Psh, we don't mind. I mean, it's kind of funny because you're necroing stuff from waaaay back, and they aren't even the major long threads, but there's not any other activity here in the main forum. sweatdrop So anything to get people talking! I still feel nervous. Don't feel nervous! Seriously. I don't think anyone will complain. I mean, this is something people will keep saying; if you're a gay man, you're never going to have to deal with pregnancy, so you don't get a say! And there are good answers in here. Your opinion means just as much as anyone else's, so if you see something you want to comment on, no one's going to object to hearing it.
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