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 Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:23 pm
Bide ye Wiccan laws ye must,
in perfect love and perfect trust.
Live and let live, fairly take and fairly give.
Form the circle thrice about, to keep all evil spirits out.
To bind ye spell every time, let ye spell be spake in rhyme.
Soft of eye, light of touch, speak ye little, listen much.
Deosil go by the waxing moon, singing out ye Witches’ Rune.
Widdershins go by the waning moon, chanting out ye Baneful Rune.
When the Lady’s moon is new, kiss your hand to her times two.
When the moon rides at her peak, then ye heart’s desire seek.
Heed the North wind’s mighty gale, lock the door and trim the sail.
When the wind comes from the South, love will kiss thee on the mouth.
When the wind blows from the West, departed souls may have no rest.
When the wind blows from the East, except the new and set the feast.
Nine woods in ye cauldron go, burn them fast and burn them slow.
Elder be ye Lady’s tree, burn it not or cursed ye’ll be.
When the wheel begins to turn, soon ye Beltaine fire’ll burn.
When the wheel hath turned to Yule, light the log the Horned One rules.
Heed ye flower, bush and tree, by the Lady blessed be.
Where the rippling waters flow, cast a stone and truth ye’ll know.
When ye have and hold a need, harken not to others greed.
With a fool no season spend, nor be counted as his friend.
Merry meet and merry part, bright the cheeks and warm the heart.
Mind ye threefold law ye should, three times bad and three times good.
When misfortune is anow, wear the blue star upon thy brow.
True in love ye must ever be, lest thy love be false to thee.
In these eight words the Wiccan Rede fulfill,
‘An ye harm none, do what ye will.
Okay.. You see... I was helping my friend Out with the words.. Because she was transferring all of her information onto her new BOS... Well... Her handwriting isnt too understandable.. When I looked up the Wiccan Rede... It suprises me to find that There are so many different verisons... Which remimded me Of the bible... Because there are so many different Bibles... Different information.. I know, In these different Wiccan Rede's.. The word mix ups are only slight.. But... There are many of them... And if you change one word, you can change the whole meaning... Im curious, what is the very first version?
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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:08 am
This pickled vegetable...The first incarnation of the Rede was said by Doreen Valiente in 1964. And I just think you should know that the Rede isn't Wiccan it just general advice for all witches. And they're not laws either, they are advice, nothing more. ... could kick your a** !!
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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:22 am
I was always told they were pretty much Law..
I guess I should go do a little research of my own on a few things.
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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:26 am
LeeleeBugg_BitesU I was always told they were pretty much Law..
I guess I should go do a little research of my own on a few things. The Rede first appeared in a speech by Doreen Valiente in 1964 - at least a decade after Gardner founded Wicca. It was never a part of Wiccan law, or practice. And "rede" literally means advice - since when is one required to take advice? Both it, and the Three-fold Law, are new-age constructs. It's up to the individual Wiccan whether or not they choose to believe them, as is their right. Belief or disbelief in either is not a defining characteristic of being Wiccan.
This is also probably why there are so many different versions of it. Advice, unlike laws, are subjective and due to change depending on who is reading/hearing them and how they choose to interpret said advice. ... could kick your a** !!
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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:33 am
quote="Renkon Root"]LeeleeBugg_BitesU I was always told they were pretty much Law..
I guess I should go do a little research of my own on a few things.
The Rede first appeared in a speech by Doreen Valiente in 1964 - at least a decade after Gardner founded Wicca. It was never a part of Wiccan law, or practice. And "rede" literally means advice - since when is one required to take advice? Both it, and the Three-fold Law, are new-age constructs. It's up to the individual Wiccan whether or not they choose to believe them, as is their right. Belief or disbelief in either is not a defining characteristic of being Wiccan.
... could kick your a** !!
Well, thank you for clearing that bit up for me.. I do beleive the advice is wise though.
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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:35 am
This pickled vegetable...I never said it wasn't. I just think people shouldn't treat it like law. ... could kick your a** !!
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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:51 am
It is true that the Wiccan Reed is advice, not law, it is encouraged to be followed. In this guild we do not allow the posting of Black Magick. The Wiccan Reed has a lot in it that helps prevent you from doing Black Magick. That is why it is encouraged. Although, if you are able to trust your gut, and know the difference between the two, then you don't really need the Reed anymore. A lot of it is just moral stuff anyway.
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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:11 am
zabazor It is true that the Wiccan Reed is advice, not law, it is encouraged to be followed. In this guild we do not allow the posting of Black Magick. The Wiccan Reed has a lot in it that helps prevent you from doing Black Magick. That is why it is encouraged. Although, if you are able to trust your gut, and know the difference between the two, then you don't really need the Reed anymore. A lot of it is just moral stuff anyway. As you were, I was
There is no Black Magic (drop the K unless you are part of the Thelema belief), magic has no color. It's what you do with it that gives it 'color.'
As I am, you will be
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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:57 pm
Calelith zabazor It is true that the Wiccan Reed is advice, not law, it is encouraged to be followed. In this guild we do not allow the posting of Black Magick. The Wiccan Reed has a lot in it that helps prevent you from doing Black Magick. That is why it is encouraged. Although, if you are able to trust your gut, and know the difference between the two, then you don't really need the Reed anymore. A lot of it is just moral stuff anyway. As you were, I was
There is no Black Magic (drop the K unless you are part of the Thelema belief), magic has no color. It's what you do with it that gives it 'color.'
As I am, you will be It should also be added that "black" and "white" are ambiguous concepts.
Morals differ from person to person and culture to culture. What is "evil" to one person from one culture may be seen as nothing wrong to another person from another culture. Morals and the concepts of "good and evil" and "black magic and white magic" are subjective and I don't really think you could regulate something like that on a small internet group like this. All we have to decide what's right and wrong, what's "white magic" and "black magic" are the guild staffs' own personal morals and views and who's to say that those are "right" or "wrong"? ... could kick your a** !!
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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:39 pm
It should be noted that the Rede itself is actually only the one line... An Ye Harm None, Do What Ye Willzabazor The Wiccan Reed has a lot in it that helps prevent you from doing Black Magick. Eh...not so much. Even within Wicca inspired paths, if one has carefully considered all of one's options and is willing to accept the consequences of any action taken, then there is nothing that says one cannot cast whatever spells one deems necessary. My understanding as well (as has already been mentioned) is that even within Trad Wicca the Rede and even the Threefold Law are more of a ritual contrivance, rather than any kind of binding "law". The only "Laws" that Wicca has are the Ardanes - however exactly how those are followed is oathbound and not known to non-initiates. In other witchcraft paths (unless they have other rules to the contrary), any and all spell work is considered "fair game". Traditionally hexing, cursing, love potions, etc... were how they made a living, and there are plenty of "modern" witches who have no problem with such spells.
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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:07 am
The advice no matter what it means to you is undoutably helpful, in the long rede poetic version it says never to burn the Elder tree, because its the godess's tree. Well this is also good avice cause the Elder tree has various poisonus parts and I'm shure burning them would be some what dangerus.
Personaly I don't like calling magic that would be frownd apon or seen as harmful as black magic, just be cause it gives the color black, the dark and the shadows, a subconscious negative connitation. My father loves whats called shadow work (which is not acsactly like what it sounds like) and I am rather fond of it as well. One day I menchind it to a friend of mine and they atomaticly became worried and asked me if I as useing "black magic".
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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:03 am
From my knowledge Magick is colorless, neither white nor black. The reason we call magick white or black is solely based on its intent. Black magick is hurtful, negative, and violates free will; while white magick is helpful, positive, and allows for free will.
too2sweet I see where you are coming from and I will agree with you because my knowledge on wicca is limited since I am not a wiccan. However, it is one of my personal morals to follow the golden rule, that is why I even argued against it. It is specific to my eclectic path, not wicca. Thank you for the insight.
Velvit-Spider-Love I would love to see you make a separate thread about "shadow work" so that we can discuss it further and learn more about it. It has sparked an interest in me.
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Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 11:39 pm
zabazor From my knowledge Magick is colorless, neither white nor black. The reason we call magick white or black is solely based on its intent. Black magick is hurtful, negative, and violates free will; while white magick is helpful, positive, and allows for free will. too2sweet I see where you are coming from and I will agree with you because my knowledge on wicca is limited since I am not a wiccan. However, it is one of my personal morals to follow the golden rule, that is why I even argued against it. It is specific to my eclectic path, not wicca. Thank you for the insight. Velvit-Spider-Love I would love to see you make a separate thread about "shadow work" so that we can discuss it further and learn more about it. It has sparked an interest in me. (Velvit-Spider-Love = Velvit-Raven) I will do that soon as I get the chance. Shadow work is mainly working with your subconscious, higher self, those past ( died ppl., ghosts, what have you), and for those who can it also deals with animal comunication; theres other things too, I'll exslane it all later. Thank you for your interest.
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