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Lovely Lily Wolf

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:03 am


How do you tell the difference between the two? I don't know whether I'm a Pagan or a Wiccan. Someone help e distinguish the two. Please?!
PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:07 am


This pickled vegetable...

If you're not sure then you're most likely pagan.

Wicca is a fertility witchcult that you must be initiated into. Its rather hard not to know when you're Wiccan. The properties of Wicca are...
* Orthopraxic, right practice not right belief.
* Initiatory, you need to be initiated by a coven.
* Lineaged, you need to be able to trace your initiatory path directly to Gardner.
* Oathbound, you need to swear certain oaths.
* Mystery religion, you need to know certain things which cannot be conveyed textually but only experimentally and only under guidance.
* Witchcult, what it says on the tin.
* Priesthood, every Wiccan is both a witch and a priest.
Service of a very specific God and a very specific Goddess who reveal themselves through the mysteries of Wicca.

If you have any other questions, check out The {Wicca FAQ}. All you need to do it click the link.

Paganism is an umbrella term that refers to all the non-Abramatic religions. Basically, any religion that isn't Jewish, Christian or Muslim is pagan. Wicca is a pagan religion, but not all pagan religions are Wiccan.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:17 am


Ohkay...I understand that a lot better. My mom just helped explain it a bit too. She's a Pagan that follows the Wicca ways.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:21 am


Luna Lily Bones
Ohkay...I understand that a lot better. My mom just helped explain it a bit too. She's a Pagan that follows the Wicca ways.
This pickled vegetable...

Oh, what tradition is she? Do you know her coven's lineage?

... could kick your a** !!

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:35 am


Renkon Root
Luna Lily Bones
Ohkay...I understand that a lot better. My mom just helped explain it a bit too. She's a Pagan that follows the Wicca ways.
This pickled vegetable...

Oh, what tradition is she? Do you know her coven's lineage?

... could kick your a** !!


What I got from that, was that she was neo-pagan, with a practice based on published "outer-court" material. She clearly wasn't claiming that her mom was Wiccan.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:44 am


too2sweet
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Luna Lily Bones
Ohkay...I understand that a lot better. My mom just helped explain it a bit too. She's a Pagan that follows the Wicca ways.
This pickled vegetable...

Oh, what tradition is she? Do you know her coven's lineage?

... could kick your a** !!


What I got from that, was that she was neo-pagan, with a practice based on published "outer-court" material. She clearly wasn't claiming that her mom was Wiccan.
As you were, I was


Claiming to follow the Wiccan ways, would signify that the 'know' something of Wicca or at least think they do.

As I am, you will be

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too2sweet

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 1:03 pm


Calelith
too2sweet
Renkon Root
Luna Lily Bones
Ohkay...I understand that a lot better. My mom just helped explain it a bit too. She's a Pagan that follows the Wicca ways.
This pickled vegetable...

Oh, what tradition is she? Do you know her coven's lineage?

... could kick your a** !!


What I got from that, was that she was neo-pagan, with a practice based on published "outer-court" material. She clearly wasn't claiming that her mom was Wiccan.
As you were, I was


Claiming to follow the Wiccan ways, would signify that the 'know' something of Wicca or at least think they do.

As I am, you will be


It signifies that they've read books with "wicca" in the title, which contain (depending on the author) a mix of general witchcraft practices, neo-pagan and outer-court Wiccan practices. While it may only be a small piece of what Wicca really is, if one is following a path that takes those small pieces into consideration (whether or not they have a right to or not is debatable, to be sure) then it is appropriate to say that one has been inspired by "wiccan ways" or however else they want to phrase it.

The fact is that there are legitimate eclectic paths out there - created/founded by BTW initiates - that have since deviated from the core. These paths are obviously not Wiccan any longer, however they do still follow many of the same practices/principles, of which they have published (in detail), and have bid their readers to start their own practices based it.

To be fair, most of what the average person considers to be "wiccan ways", really aren't specific to Wicca, but we can blame Llewellyn for that one.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:50 pm


too2sweet
To be fair, most of what the average person considers to be "wiccan ways", really aren't specific to Wicca, but we can blame Llewellyn for that one.
This pickled vegetable...

And its that bit of misinformation that Cal's trying to correct.

... could kick your a** !!

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 7:45 pm


too2sweet
Calelith
too2sweet
Renkon Root
Luna Lily Bones
Ohkay...I understand that a lot better. My mom just helped explain it a bit too. She's a Pagan that follows the Wicca ways.
This pickled vegetable...

Oh, what tradition is she? Do you know her coven's lineage?

... could kick your a** !!


What I got from that, was that she was neo-pagan, with a practice based on published "outer-court" material. She clearly wasn't claiming that her mom was Wiccan.
As you were, I was


Claiming to follow the Wiccan ways, would signify that the 'know' something of Wicca or at least think they do.

As I am, you will be


It signifies that they've read books with "wicca" in the title, which contain (depending on the author) a mix of general witchcraft practices, neo-pagan and outer-court Wiccan practices. While it may only be a small piece of what Wicca really is, if one is following a path that takes those small pieces into consideration (whether or not they have a right to or not is debatable, to be sure) then it is appropriate to say that one has been inspired by "wiccan ways" or however else they want to phrase it.

The fact is that there are legitimate eclectic paths out there - created/founded by BTW initiates - that have since deviated from the core. These paths are obviously not Wiccan any longer, however they do still follow many of the same practices/principles, of which they have published (in detail), and have bid their readers to start their own practices based it.

To be fair, most of what the average person considers to be "wiccan ways", really aren't specific to Wicca, but we can blame Llewellyn for that one.


Even if those paths were founded by BTW initates, it's still not Wicca, unfortunately. It would still under eclectic neo-paganism as it doesn't have the core of Wicca. Therefore we shouldn't call it Wicca if it doesn't have the core. It's better to call it what it really is, which is eclectic neo-paganism.
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