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Nikolita
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 6:37 pm


Taken from: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/10448273.stm


Women who drink during pregnancy may be damaging the future fertility of their sons, research suggests.

In a study of almost 350 young men, sperm levels were a third lower in those whose mothers had drunk more than four drinks a week during pregnancy compared with teetotallers.

The Danish researchers told a fertility conference these men may have a harder time getting their partner pregnant.

UK experts said alcohol may not be the issue, but a marker for other factors.

Current advice is to avoid alcohol during pregnancy, but those who do so are advised to have no more than one or two units of alcohol once or twice a week.

The study included men, now aged between 18 and 21, whose mothers had taken part in a large study on lifestyle while they were pregnant with them.

Researchers told the European Society of Human Reproduction and Embryology conference that they split the men into four groups - those whose mothers drank nothing, those who had one to one and a half drinks a week, two to four drinks a week, or more than four drinks a week.

One drink was classed as a beer, small glass of wine or one measure of spirits.

Four drinks in the study is equivalent to around six UK units.

When they looked at sperm counts in the men's semen samples, they found those with the highest alcohol exposure in the womb had average concentrations of 25 million per millilitre compared with 40 million/ml in those whose mothers drank no alcohol.

After adjusting for factors which might influence sperm, such as smoking and medical history, they calculated that average sperm concentration was 32% lower in the highest alcohol group than the abstinence group.


Fertility Effects

The World Health Organization says that a normal range of sperm is 20 to 40 million/ml.

It is known that lower concentrations of sperm - even within the normal range - may mean it takes longer to conceive.

Study leader Dr Cecilia Ramlau-Hansen, from Aarhus University Hospital, said that if the link is proven in further studies, it may explain why semen quality seems to have fallen in recent decades.

"If exposure to alcohol in foetal life causes poor semen quality in adult life, we would expect that populations with many pregnant women drinking, possibly heavily, in pregnancy would have lower fertility in comparison with populations where pregnant women do not drink."

Dr Allan Pacey, senior lecturer in andrology at the University of Sheffield, said the study was very interesting and supported the theory that male fertility was influenced at an early stage by factors in the womb.

But he pointed out that the low sperm levels seen did not equate to infertility.

"I don't think we can be certain that alcohol is necessarily the bad thing here - it could be a surrogate marker for something else - but clearly there is some kind of relationship.

"It needs following up but it might help us understand factors which affect testicle development in the womb."
PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:04 pm


Sounds about right. One thing that has me disgusted is when pregnant women eat junk food and stuff as well. Not realizing that will create problems for their child. When your pregnant, you HAVE to eat and drink just right.

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Nikolita
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:39 pm


Some stuff is ok, as long as it's in small amounts. Like caffeine is ok, as long as it's in certain amounts, etc.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 7:15 am


I don't mind too much if a woman gives in to an occasional unhealthy food craving (like a donut) as long as it's fairly infrequent and she tries to eat healthy other than that. But I have heard some women actually say things like, "I eat all the junk food I want. This pregnancy is about me, not the baby," which is shockingly disgusting in my opinion.

And I think women who drink alcohol or smoke during pregnancy should flat out have their baby taken away as soon as it's born. Because if a woman cares more about what she wants than she cares about her baby's life, what kind of mother could she possible be...?

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Nikolita
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:44 am


LorienLlewellyn
I don't mind too much if a woman gives in to an occasional unhealthy food craving (like a donut) as long as it's fairly infrequent and she tries to eat healthy other than that. But I have heard some women actually say things like, "I eat all the junk food I want. This pregnancy is about me, not the baby," which is shockingly disgusting in my opinion.

And I think women who drink alcohol or smoke during pregnancy should flat out have their baby taken away as soon as it's born. Because if a woman cares more about what she wants than she cares about her baby's life, what kind of mother could she possible be...?


See, a quote like the one bolded here would make me want to shoot people. That's ridiculously selfish and stupid.

I agree with not drinking during pregnancy, but I've seen babies come from mothers who smoked during pregnancy and they are completely healthy and normal, and their mothers are very loving, etc. I've also heard doctors recommend that mothers not quit smoking after about the 3 month mark in pregnancy because the shock of quitting could be hazardous to the baby. Instead the mother is encouraged to cut down as much as possible.

Once you get into smoking too, then you can start debating the point that being unable to complete quit smoking is a nicotine addiction and it's not as simple as quitting cold turkey and refusing to never smoke again. wink
PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:45 am


Nikolita

but I've seen babies come from mothers who smoked during pregnancy and they are completely healthy and normal
and their mothers are very loving, etc.

There are also babies born to crack addict mothers who turn out completely normal and healthy. That's because doing crack or smoking cigarettes isn't a guarantee that your baby will be unhealthy. It just increases the chances dramatically. And I don't think anyone who would do that to their child truly loves or deserves that child. (I'm referring to babies born now when we know what cigarettes during pregnancy can do, not 50 years ago when we didn't know).

Nikolita
I've also heard doctors recommend that mothers not quit smoking after about the 3 month mark in pregnancy because the shock of quitting could be hazardous to the baby. Instead the mother is encouraged to cut down as much as possible.

It's true that some doctors do recommend cutting down instead of quitting abruptly. But I believe that's usually only when the mother is a very heavy smoker, and I believe the doctors who say that are actually in the minority. I believe most recommend quitting right away. Not to mention that if a woman is smoking she shouldn't be getting pregnant in the first place.

Nikolita
Once you get into smoking too, then you can start debating the point that being unable to complete quit smoking is a nicotine addiction and it's not as simple as quitting cold turkey and refusing to never smoke again. wink

Actually, I did used to smoke in my teens. And I quit cold turkey because one day I just said, "I am not going to put my body through this anymore, and I am not going to kill myself over something this stupid." It really wasn't that hard. It might be harder for some people or for people who smoked more or longer than I did (I was a fairly light smoker for a year or two). But if your life and your baby's life depend on it, it really shouldn't be hard at all. Pretty much anything should be easy when your child's life depends on it. And now there are even prescriptions, hypnosis, support groups, and all kinds of things to make it easier. So I have no sympathy whatsoever for women who choose their addiction over their baby's life and health.

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Valgex

PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:44 am


LorienLlewellyn
Nikolita

but I've seen babies come from mothers who smoked during pregnancy and they are completely healthy and normal
and their mothers are very loving, etc.

There are also babies born to crack addict mothers who turn out completely normal and healthy. That's because doing crack or smoking cigarettes isn't a guarantee that your baby will be unhealthy. It just increases the chances dramatically. And I don't think anyone who would do that to their child truly loves or deserves that child. (I'm referring to babies born now when we know what cigarettes during pregnancy can do, not 50 years ago when we didn't know).

Nikolita
I've also heard doctors recommend that mothers not quit smoking after about the 3 month mark in pregnancy because the shock of quitting could be hazardous to the baby. Instead the mother is encouraged to cut down as much as possible.

It's true that some doctors do recommend cutting down instead of quitting abruptly. But I believe that's usually only when the mother is a very heavy smoker, and I believe the doctors who say that are actually in the minority. I believe most recommend quitting right away. Not to mention that if a woman is smoking she shouldn't be getting pregnant in the first place.

Nikolita
Once you get into smoking too, then you can start debating the point that being unable to complete quit smoking is a nicotine addiction and it's not as simple as quitting cold turkey and refusing to never smoke again. wink

Actually, I did used to smoke in my teens. And I quit cold turkey because one day I just said, "I am not going to put my body through this anymore, and I am not going to kill myself over something this stupid." It really wasn't that hard. It might be harder for some people or for people who smoked more or longer than I did (I was a fairly light smoker for a year or two). But if your life and your baby's life depend on it, it really shouldn't be hard at all. Pretty much anything should be easy when your child's life depends on it. And now there are even prescriptions, hypnosis, support groups, and all kinds of things to make it easier. So I have no sympathy whatsoever for women who choose their addiction over their baby's life and health.
I agree. It comes down to self-control, something many lack. But go off on someone saying they do XD
PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:40 pm


I only wish is that some mother's would taken into consideration that what enters their mouth also goes to the baby, but they don't.

You don't have to completely change your diet while pregnant, you just need to watch what you eat and drink more carefully.

I really do hate seeing pregnant women drink and smoke though. It makes me want to cry.

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Intoxikace

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:13 pm


I hate it when pregnant women pump their bodies full of crap while knocked up.
I've never been pregnant so I have no idea what the cravings are like.. but still.. so many of my friends will be at Mc.Donalds multiple times a week while expecting.
It's just like.. would you feed a young child Mc.Donalds that much a week? Since you technically are while you are pregnant.

Drinking is something easy to stop doing.. smoking can be a bit harder depending on how long the mother smoked for before she got pregnant and how much she smokes.
But smoking you are supposed to try to smoke as little as possible.. so even going down from 5 cigarettes to 1 a day is loads better for the baby.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:27 pm


Intoxikace
I hate it when pregnant women pump their bodies full of crap while knocked up.
I've never been pregnant so I have no idea what the cravings are like.. but still.. so many of my friends will be at Mc.Donalds multiple times a week while expecting.
It's just like.. would you feed a young child Mc.Donalds that much a week? Since you technically are while you are pregnant.

Drinking is something easy to stop doing.. smoking can be a bit harder depending on how long the mother smoked for before she got pregnant and how much she smokes.
But smoking you are supposed to try to smoke as little as possible.. so even going down from 5 cigarettes to 1 a day is loads better for the baby.



That's what I've heard too. I don't know if it's an area thing or a difference between countries, but I've never heard a doctor recommend quitting cold turkey while pregnant. Usually just the recommendation to cut down as much as possible. I'm not saying they don't recommend that - as Lorien said, they obviously do. Just where I live, I haven't heard that. *shrug*

And from the research I've read, the younger a person started smoking, the harder it is to quit because the habit is that much more entrenched in the person.

Abstinence isn't always a realistic expectation for everyone, so between smoking a half a pack a day or smoking as few as possible, I'd go with as few as possible.

Nikolita
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Intoxikace

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:00 pm


My mom started smoking when she was 12 and got pregnant when she was 18.. so she was smoking a lot! D;
But when she first got pregnant she had really bad morning sickness so she couldn't smoke often (this was before she knew she was pregnant).
She was really nauseous from the morning sickness so she didn't want to eat.. and smoking kills your appetite but you need to eat when your pregnant so she just ate when she didn't feel like puking and usually she ate until she felt like puking again! XD
So she didn't really have time or the urge to smoke.. she said she smoked like one cigarette a day or something for the first week then quit since she did not feel like doing it.

I was a super healthy baby though.. almost 10 pounds!
After she had me she didn't smoke again until I was around 5 or 6.. I dunno haha.

Most doctors won't say to quit cold turkey since it is a drug and you will go through withdrawal.. they usually just say try to smoke half a cigarette when you would normally smoke a whole one so if you smoke ten a day you only smoke 5 and try to cut it down each week. >__<
PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:49 am


Intoxikace

Most doctors won't say to quit cold turkey since it is a drug and you will go through withdrawal.. they usually just say try to smoke half a cigarette when you would normally smoke a whole one so if you smoke ten a day you only smoke 5 and try to cut it down each week. >__<

Quitting cold turkey can bring on withdrawal. The stress of withdrawal may not be ideal for babies, but it is usually far better than a cigarette would be. So doctors and health organizations usually recommend quitting cold turkey. Although exceptions may be made in the case of very heavy (more than a pack and a half a day) smokers, women in high especially high stress situations, or high risk pregnancies.

"...You may be tempted just to cut down, but many smokers find they inhale more deeply when smoking fewer cigarettes. So though the number of cigarettes decreases, the intake of damaging substances doesn't because residues are concentrated towards the butt.

Other studies show that even moderate cigarette smoking is damaging to the foetus, making quitting the most important thing you can do to improve your and baby's health..."
http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/health_advice/facts/pregnantsmoking.htm

"...Smoking during pregnancy is dangerous and quitting should be top priority....There is no sustained evidence that the stress incurred by quitting smoking harms the fetus. This method (cold turkey) is considered one of the safest...."
http://www.pregnancy.org/article/smoking-during-pregnancy-no-ifs-ands-or-butts

"Not only is quitting cold turkey safe, it's one of the best things you can do for yourself and your baby while you're pregnant. As soon as you give up your cigarettes, your baby will start getting more oxygen, and the risk of miscarriage, premature birth, and other complications will drop...."
http://www.babycenter.com/404_im-pregnant-can-quitting-smoking-cold-turkey-hurt-me-or-my-b_1405526.bc

"...All pregnant women who smoke are encouraged to quit, even when they are in their seventh or eighth month of pregnancy...."
http://www.healthline.com/yodocontent/pregnancy/smoking.html

"...Quitting smoking before getting pregnant is best. But for women who are already pregnant, quitting as early as possible can still help protect against some health problems, such as low birth weight...."
http://www.cdc.gov/Features/PregnantDontSmoke/

"..Women who smoke during pregnancy are about twice as likely to experience premature rupture of membranes, placental abruption, and placenta previa during pregnancy...."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/TobaccoUsePregnancy/index.htm

"...The first day after you quit smoking, as the nicotine leaves your body, you’re likely to notice symptoms of withdrawal. These are signs of your body recovering from smoking. For some people, withdrawal is mild. Others have a harder time. In any case, withdrawal should begin to lessen after the first few days...."
http://www.stjohnprovidence.org/HealthInfoLib/swArticle.aspx?3,88732

"...Smoking while pregnant presents multiple dangers to the unborn child including low birth weight and stillbirth. And research continues to uncover more hazards. If you're a smoker who is pregnant or considering pregnancy, please quit now...."
http://quitsmoking.about.com/b/2009/05/11/smoking-and-the-unborn-child-2.htm

"...When a mother smokes during pregnancy -- even a few cigarettes a day -- her newborn is likely to be jittery, excitable, and difficult to console, signs of withdrawal similar to babies born to crack users..."
http://www.webmd.com/parenting/baby/news/20030602/smokers-babies-show-drug-withdrawal

"...A recent study suggests that women who smoke anytime during the month before pregnancy to the end of the first trimester are more likely to have a baby with birth defects, particularly congenital heart defects. The risk of heart defects appears to increase with the number of cigarettes a woman smokes...Smoking is associated with a number of pregnancy complications. Smoking cigarettes doubles a woman's risk of developing placental problems...The March of Dimes recommends that women stop smoking before they become pregnant and do not smoke throughout pregnancy and after the baby is born..."
http://www.marchofdimes.com/professionals/19695_1171.asp

"...You may feel lousy for a few weeks, but you won't be doing yourself or your baby any harm. There's no evidence that the stress of quitting has any effect on a fetus...."
http://www.babycenter.com/0_quitting-smoking-during-pregnancy-compare-your-options_1406034.bc

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