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 Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:14 pm
In Your Opinion, what is the difference between Circle casting and Sacred Space?
Which do you do?
Is there a reason behind your choice?[/align ]
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:01 pm
in my opinion they are kinda like squares and rectangles. all squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares. casting a circle is creating an energy bubble around yourself. if that is all you did, you have not created sacred space. sacred space is when you call a divine power to enter a space. so some circle casting(in fact most i've read about) are sacred spaces but not all sacred spaces are casting a circle.
for most of my rituals i do both. i create a circle and then call quarters and Deity thus creating sacred space within the circle.
for meditation normally casting a circle is enough.
for some, i do neither. i make a square.i do shamanic journeys and for these i take a blanket and place it on the floor and use that to create a box. i dont normally call deity and its not really a circle. so its neither. ha
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:35 pm
Sacred Space is nice if you're in a large space, but meditation works in a fix. It'd be nice if we all had a little room for everything personal, but that doesn't happen for everyone. In fact, quite the opposite.
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 1:01 pm
sacred space doesnt require alot of space. you can create it in as little a space as you need. all you're doing is calling Deity to you.
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 4:23 pm
I just do whatever is suited for the occasion.
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Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:18 pm
Honestly, i have only felt comfortable in a circle. i think its more what you're doing, and what you're comfortable with.
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 9:56 am
I prefer to use sacred space because I feel that sometimes circles offend certain beings.
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Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:48 pm
A sacred space is not something everyone is going to have. Most people do not have the luxury of being able to put up an altar and leave it there. I believe a sacred space to be where you practice witchcraft/call your deities on a regular basis. A place where your personal energy is built up and won't be interfered with. I believe though that a circle should always be cast within a sacred space. A circle is a type of spell work to keep out unwanted energies/spirits/deities. Deciding NOT to put up a circle because it may offend some sort of being is...naive. The only thing that the circle is going to keep out are beings/energies that you don't want.
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Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 10:10 pm
Dragoness Arleeana A sacred space is not something everyone is going to have. Most people do not have the luxury of being able to put up an altar and leave it there. I believe a sacred space to be where you practice witchcraft/call your deities on a regular basis. A place where your personal energy is built up and won't be interfered with. I believe though that a circle should always be cast within a sacred space. A circle is a type of spell work to keep out unwanted energies/spirits/deities. Deciding NOT to put up a circle because it may offend some sort of being is...naive. The only thing that the circle is going to keep out are beings/energies that you don't want. I disagree, I don't think it is being naive and it is misinformed for you to say that. It is respecting the wishes of the ancient Egyptian deities that I work with.
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Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 6:53 am
I'm gonna be direct on this one from my personal experience. Some spirits would be offended by the idea of having a protective measure to force them away, should you choose to do so, since they were INVITED to join you...
You could have the circle work to get them out of the area. It would be like going to a friends house, and though the method of defense he has in his hand (Insert example) May be harmless, or even if you know how to defend against it to the point of not having to worry.
It could be taken as an insult under some contexts and relationships that you would never let your barriers down around them.
Also, you shouldnt have to rely on a circle for everything once you go past a certain point in your practice. I also think along the lines of, if you NEED a ouji board to contact the dead, you probably aren't at a point where you should brag about being able to contact the dead so easily.
A practitioner of a certain level does not need some of these things. Though, they are still useful tools for him/her to have around in some cases, like the circle. the circle is useful for boosting things. but you shouldnt rely on it to boost everything 24/7 if you're at a certain skill level.
or in rpg terms, Why worry about the mp cost of a level 2 spell when you're level 10 and really stocked up on potions? But, you still need the potion every now and then
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Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 3:59 pm
I have worked with Egyptian deities myself, mainly Isis, and never found them to be offended by a circle. Perhaps we use it in a different way. If I invite something in, then they can enter the circle as if it were merely a doorway, it is not a barrier I have up against them. I do not like to have to deal with other entities while trying to work with another one or two specifically. Also, my circles have never kept out gods, simply any spirits or any other sort of being. I had a time when I called upon Isis for guidance in a matter, and she brought along another entity (which I believe to have been Osiris) and I received guidance from him instead. I cast my circles so that none who mean me harm may enter. I've worked with many different pantheons and gods and have never found them offended by a circle, when they could openly pass through it. Also, using a circle has nothing to do with what "level" I am in my practices. It is my tradition to do so, it does not boost anything for me. I don't like my rite to be intruded upon, at all, by some random spirit. I've never used a ouji board personally, I've never felt the need to contact the dead. I don't brag about any of my abilities/accomplishments. To me it seems like you're saying I shouldn't use a circle once I get to a certain "level" in my practices because I can simply "blast" or get rid of (however you want to say it) anything unwanted once it comes up. I like to take one extra step and put up a circle so it never comes to that. That has nothing to do with what "level" I am at. This bit doesn't make sense to me. I've re-read it a dozen times and I've no clue what you're saying, could you re-iterate? Quote: You could have the circle work to get them out of the area. It would be like going to a friends house, and though the method of defense he has in his hand (Insert example) May be harmless, or even if you know how to defend against it to the point of not having to worry.
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Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 7:06 pm
The ones I work with Do find it offensive, and it is Not part of my tradition to use circles in the first place.
So please do not assume naivity when that is not at all what is going on it is a matter of pleasing those you work with and a matter of your tradition.
I also agree with what Satrevi said.
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Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 9:42 pm
And I apologize, I did not mean to offend you. I simply misunderstood what you said. The way it was worded seemed to me, that you meant it to apply to everyone in the same cases. That everyone is going to offend the same beings for the same reasons. Like, if you casting a circle would offend a certain god that means that anyone casting a circle would offend that god. To me you were saying it was the same case for everyone who deals with them, which is untrue. I may have caused offense to you two, however unintentional to was, but saying and agreeing with the following is offensive to me. Quote: A practitioner of a certain level does not need some of these things. Though, they are still useful tools for him/her to have around in some cases, like the circle. the circle is useful for boosting things. but you shouldnt rely on it to boost everything 24/7 if you're at a certain skill level. So the fact that my tradition and personal preference means that I use a circle, that means that I am of a "lower level" than if I did not? Which means, that since you do not, you are of a "higher level" than me. I completely disagree. As I said, and even you said, Princess, it is by my tradition that I do it.
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Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 10:19 pm
I don't think Satrevi meant it as a direct insult to you. She was just trying to explain things which is how I see what she was trying to say and I agree with it.
Also, I never meant any of what I said to be taken along the lines of this is how it is for everyone. For one, no part of ritual work is like that. Secondly, that's why I said "I prefer" in my statement which is to say personally, meaning myself only, I find that it offends who I work with.
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Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 12:17 am
I have a little habit of coming off, a bit stronger than i mean to when I say things. Or, saying things in a controlling manner without thinking about it.
I really don't mean anything as a personal attack. I'm just a very opinionated person by nature. And I realize I can come off quite strong. I try to keep it in check, but I'm human and thus don't always succeed.
Please, I'm not meaning it as any attack to your practice. I'm just speaking my mind, and, saying things stronger than I mean to, and sometimes could think of better ways to phrase things. As, I usually do.
If it helps, I used to be a lot worse about it. xd
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