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I don't see Salamence going up to Ubers as the main reason why Garchomp made it was his ability on top of Yache Berry. Don't get me wrong, Intimidate can be an effective ability, but even on the most bulky of Mences, it's not enough to stop the impending doom of anything sporting BoltBeam. Salamence just doesn't have the defenses that Dragonite has or even the evasion from Sand Veil, with or without Yache Berry, Salamence isn't THAT hard to stop.

Needless to say, in Ubers, Salamence is completely outclassed by Rayquaza. So far on Smogon's test ladder of no mence, there is a heavy increase in stall tactics, ugh. If Salamence gets Uber banned, I'm definitely not going to be looking forward to all the slow-paced battles. Well, all in all, depending on reaction of what's decided, we can have a debate about it all on our own.

Chomp was counterable, just that you lost 2 Pokémon because of Chomp.

This post was the best one Zetshimaru found for bumping mence to uber.

Granted Zetshimaru only read the first part, to much text for Zetshimaru, who doesn't really care enough =/

]http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64977

Personally, I'm not seeing it either. You guys have more experience than I do on the Battle Sets and everything that people use in the Metagame, but I do know that a fast and strong ice type (Such as my Froslass Vexina) could likely send one packing with one good Ice Punch/Ice Beam. It's apparently not as threatening as Garchomp, and as Kyrenx said, Rayquaza is a massive dragon powerhouse.

Is it just me or is Tangerine from Zet's link just trying to derail the discussion towards a discussion on the proper way to debate?

I really hate it when others get caught up in both semantics, as well, want everything completely spelled out for them. God forbid someone having to try inferring a comment or rebuttal.

As for our lizardy friend. I do feel for it if were to be elevated to the uber tier. I personally despise the poke because of how I believe it shapes the OU sphere, but I'd rather it not be elevated because of the lack of use it will really see again.

I am curious though. If Smogon does change its status, are we going to host another tier placement debate?

I don't really care for Salamence, I think he is ugly so I don't use him. Lol

Anyhow, I believe that Salamence does have a major impact on the OU tier, however if he were to go Uber, a lot of other pokemon would go up to OU. I mean, some UU/NU pokemon have great potential, but they just can't keep up with Salamence. This is why they're in the tiers they're in. Therefore, if they put Salamence in Uber, then the metagame will change, like Kyrenx said, to a more slow-based stall metagame. Salamence is one who can break through walls, however he can be countered, & pretty easily if you know what set your opponent is running. Garchomp however, was deadly in OU not to mention the prevailance of Sandstorm in most Standard Battles which could make him incerdibly difficult to take down.

My opinion of where he should be placed:
OU, all day & every day. Sure he does leave a dent in many teams, but thanks to Stealth Rock, he will take 25% damage just for switching in, which will leave him in the KO range for any Ice Beamers (Which is a pretty common move), & will be taken down.

Rayquaza is & always will be an Uber... unless every other pokemon gets like 200 more base stat points. Lol rofl

Btw, I know you weren't saying he wasn't Uber, I'm just kidding with ya.