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Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 6:46 pm
Hi, it's me again: Lumanny the Reform (but really Conservative, honestly, if you look at the philosiphy and behavior) Jew who's always whining about not being Orthodox.
Is it weird that I'm a Reform Jew but I'm trying to order tzitzit undershirts online? (The first one would be in the mail right now if not for glitches and errors with my favorite Judaica website thta prevent me from ordering.) Yes, I suppose it is weird. I'm also reopening my experimentation with the Kippah and wearing it more often. And I might be taking the bold step into Kosher-Style. I've been listening to waaaaaaay too much Matisyahu...
Anyway... -Is it weird? -How many should I get? -Should I go Cotton or Cotton-Polyester, now that I have time to rethink my order? I'm not doing wool. -What is the maintenance of these types of tzitzit? The washing, and the like? How do you make them last and not clump or fray? I'm sure there must be much more to it than just tossing it in the washing machine. -Should I reconsider my decision to not get Techellet? -If you wear Tzitzit, do you let them hang out with pride or do you tuck them into your pants with efficency? -Have I been listening to way too much Matisyahu? -Is there such a thing as too much Matisyahu? -Isn't Matisyahu awesome?
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 6:50 am
Lumanny the Space Jew Is it weird that I'm a Reform Jew but I'm trying to order tzitzit undershirts online? Nope. I wore 'em too, when I was Reform. smile In fact, I still have a whole lot of them somewhere. It isn't weird to wear them if you're wearing them for the Biblically-stated purpose of reminding you of the mitzvot and enticing yourself to keep more of them. It's very un-weird, and very admirable. My best friend says that her son only has about five, and her husband has about seven or eight. They are, I should add, notoriously short on funds. Personally, in an ideal situation, I'd have about a dozen if possible, so that one could have enough to wear every day of the week, even if it's a Yom Tov with two days at the beginning and end, both of which are preceded or followed by Shabbat, in case you can't get the laundry done more often. But start with just one and wear it on Shabbat, and see how you do. If you decide to keep wearing tzitzit, you can always buy one more each month until you feel that you have enough. Or buy three, and then every three months add more, if you don't want to pay shipping costs every single month. Lumanny the Space Jew -Should I go Cotton or Cotton-Polyester, now that I have time to rethink my order? I'm not doing wool. COTTON. Polyester makes you sweat more, and it makes your sweat stink more. Actually, look into the Perf-Tzit and the NeaTzit -- they're halachically valid and permissible, and very comfortable. Remember that you'll be wearing an undershirt beneath them, though, to keep the sweat off them so you don't have to launder them every single time you wear them. A little Febreeze and/or hanging them up in a ventilated room will work wonders. Lumanny the Space Jew -What is the maintenance of these types of tzitzit? The washing, and the like? Wash in Woolite, by hand, in the sink. The shirt may not be quite that delicate, but the fringes can get really tangled and messy looking. If they break shorter than a certain length (ask your local halachic authority, i.e. rabbi), they become posul (halachically invalidated) and must be cut off and given to your synagogue for burial. To keep the fringes from fraying, dip the very tips into a little clear nail polish. Make sure you dip ONE tip, let it dry fully for an hour or so, then dip another tip, and keep the dipped tip away from the others so it doesn't stick. Yes, this is the voice of comical but expensive experience. Lumanny the Space Jew How do you make them last and not clump or fray? I'm sure there must be much more to it than just tossing it in the washing machine. See above. smile Lumanny the Space Jew -Should I reconsider my decision to not get Techellet? Depends. Are you going to wear the tzitzit out so that they're visible to the whole world, or inside your trousers so that they're only 'visible' to you (and Hashem)? If they're inside, get whatever you want. If they're outside, getting the techelet could be a beautiful expression of faith, or it could be looked down upon as fanaticism, depending on the flavor of your local Jewish community. Lumanny the Space Jew -If you wear Tzitzit, do you let them hang out with pride or do you tuck them into your pants with efficency? Ashkenazim usually wear them out, though I know a few who tuck them away so that they don't get dirty, pulled by curious kids, or make them targets in the larger community of non-Jews. Sephardim usually wear them tucked away for the sake of efficiency and modesty, though I know a few who leave them out because they say the fringes tickle their legs. Do whatever you think best. Just remember that, even more than a kippah, tzitzit will mark you as A JEW, and will call your behavior under even greater scrutiny, because you'll suddenly be representing "this is how Jews act." Lumanny the Space Jew -Have I been listening to way too much Matisyahu? Not nearly enough. wink Lumanny the Space Jew -Is there such a thing as too much Matisyahu? Nope. smile Unless you're bored. Then it's time to listen to something else for a bit, and go back when you miss him. Lumanny the Space Jew -Isn't Matisyahu awesome? Jolly right!
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 3:48 pm
Divash Lumanny the Space Jew -What is the maintenance of these types of tzitzit? The washing, and the like? Wash in Woolite, by hand, in the sink. The shirt may not be quite that delicate, but the fringes can get really tangled and messy looking. If they break shorter than a certain length (ask your local halachic authority, i.e. rabbi), they become posul (halachically invalidated) and must be cut off and given to your synagogue for burial. To keep the fringes from fraying, dip the very tips into a little clear nail polish. Make sure you dip ONE tip, let it dry fully for an hour or so, then dip another tip, and keep the dipped tip away from the others so it doesn't stick. Yes, this is the voice of comical but expensive experience. Okay, I can't do any of that. OCD stuff. I cannot under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES have my skin come into contact with Woolite or Nail Polish. I can't even be in the same room as nail polish. I can barely be in the same room as Woolite. So should I abort the Tzitzit or is there some other way to wash them without damaging them?
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Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 6:47 am
You could try making your own Woolite-like washing solution, or use a regular liquid detergent (diluted, and hand-wash only), or even a mild shampoo. As long as you keep swishing it in the water for at least five or ten minutes, it'll do the job.
Fray-Check, which you can purchase at most fabric stores, may help the fringes not unravel.
DO NOT USE BLEACH. It would be fine for the cotton undershirt, but it would turn the white wool strings a dingy yellow-beige.
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Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 9:35 am
Divash You could try making your own Woolite-like washing solution, or use a regular liquid detergent (diluted, and hand-wash only), or even a mild shampoo. As long as you keep swishing it in the water for at least five or ten minutes, it'll do the job. Fray-Check, which you can purchase at most fabric stores, may help the fringes not unravel. DO NOT USE BLEACH. It would be fine for the cotton undershirt, but it would turn the white wool strings a dingy yellow-beige. I can't do that either.
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Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 9:13 pm
Can you afford to have them professionally cleaned every week or two? Because that's your other choice.
Or you could use soft-grip tongs to swish the garments around in the water. If you truly want to do a thing, you will find a way. If you don't, you won't.
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Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 9:42 am
Shove it into a pillow case, and knot the end. that will protect your Tzitzi from the mechanisms in the washer.
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Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 4:55 pm
LordNeuf Shove it into a pillow case, and knot the end. that will protect your Tzitzi from the mechanisms in the washer. THANK YOU! biggrin Why couldn't Divash had made it sound that easy?
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 2:58 pm
Lumanny the Space Jew LordNeuf Shove it into a pillow case, and knot the end. that will protect your Tzitzi from the mechanisms in the washer. THANK YOU! biggrin Why couldn't Divash had made it sound that easy? I refuse to answer that questions on the grounds that Divash will kick me in the junk because I call her a girl.
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 8:32 pm
Cool story...I saw Matisyahu at a festival last summer and after his show he was walking around in the crowd and we walked past one another. He also hosted a Shabbat tent that I didn't go to because I was too nervous to hang out with Jews. whee
Good luck for you tzitzit Lummanny. I think it's a very admirable thing.
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 8:10 am
Lumanny the Space Jew LordNeuf Shove it into a pillow case, and knot the end. that will protect your Tzitzi from the mechanisms in the washer. THANK YOU! biggrin Why couldn't Divash had made it sound that easy? That will protect the tzitziot from getting caught, but it won't stop them from fraying. I'd rather you be able to use your arba kanfot ("four corners," the entire garment as well as its tzitziot, which by the way is the correct plural form) for many years, now that you're not going to be outgrowing them every other month. I'm not fond of the easy way, when the best way is barely more complicated.
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 12:55 pm
Alright, the Tzitzit undershirt just came in the mail. And there are washing instructions! blaugh Quote: Washing instructions: Place strings in pockets on corners, Machine Wash, Lukewarm water, Mild soap, Tumble Dry, Low heat, Cool iron. I can do that. And your 'best way' was not only complicated but also un-doable for someone with OCD.
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 1:00 pm
kingpinsqeezels Cool story...I saw Matisyahu at a festival last summer and after his show he was walking around in the crowd and we walked past one another. He also hosted a Shabbat tent that I didn't go to because I was too nervous to hang out with Jews. whee Good luck for you tzitzit Lummanny. I think it's a very admirable thing. Admirable? Hardly. I'm probably doing it for the wrong reasons. But whatever.
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Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 2:45 pm
So I've been wearing my Tzitzit undershirt, fringes tucked into my pants.
My Ulcerative Colitis is a problem, though. I have had... bowel accidents... before and I'm getting worried. Today I had a lot of stomach pain and I was so scared about the Tzitzit that I untucked them and then later took off the undershirt altogether. Am I going to have to keep doing this????
I'm worried. And G-d knows Divash won't come back after my last comment. Damn.
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Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 7:00 am
Divash isn't coming back (at least, not to comment on the tzitziyot issue) because you've got all the information you need to make choices you can live with. smile That's what you were asking for, right? So now we're done with that, and can hit up the next question or situation someone wants to discuss.
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