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What is your take on the ultimate supervillain?
  A greater state of being, with morals only bent on evil
  A powerful ruler, with strange powers, and a sad backstory to fuel his/her rage
  An average character, with a twisted fate that turns them into the villain
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PassionStormXIII

PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 8:21 pm


In my haste, I now realize my ongoing story "One of Them" (Go to original stories if you want to review it. Keep in mind it is not *edited* yet) , has no villain plot yet.
Yes you heard me right. There is no antagonist in my story. I was so caught up making sure every character was bullet-proof (had no room for holes) that I didn't really ever have time to create a bad guy character.

Now, keep in mind this story is not completed. Only, 5 or so chapters in. Only one chapter is posted.
But I had the plot worked out already and I'm not sure what kind of villain I should really make.
Originally I had a sort of dark overlord idea, but it ended up working out to be more of a foil character instead of a antagonist.

If you aren't sure what I'm talking about here are some definitions from http://www.fvdes.com/welch/skills/characters.htm
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Antagonist - The antagonist is the character(s) (or situation) that represents the opposition against which the protagonist must contend. In other words, the antagonist is an obstacle that the protagonist must overcome.

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Foil - A foil is any character (usually the antagonist or an important supporting character) whose personal qualities contrast with another character (usually the protagonist). By providing this contrast, we get to know more about the other character.


So now you see the dilemma. Whilst I could make the dark overlord the protagonist, it just wouldn't make any sense, because in a way the overlord does help get to know the main character more. The overlord helps with the development and character depth of the main character.

Okay now I'm rambling sweatdrop

If you have any solutions to my problem, just leave a comment.
Don't forget to answer the poll, and leave suggestions for what you think the ultimate super villain would be! 3nodding
PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 8:31 pm


There's no reason you must have a villain. Here are your five basic conflicts:

man vs. nature
man vs. society
man vs. fate
man vs. himself
man vs. man

Note that only one, the last one, requires a villain. You can have plenty of conflict with the other four.

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doodleingcat21

PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2010 4:40 pm


it depens on the story line I'll check your story and get back to you but my fav bad guy isn't on your poll It's the kind of bad guy tha wants power and doesn't care who is in the way
PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2010 4:55 pm


i'm back. if they are a defensive group it makes sense to give them some thing to defened aginst and you got a dark arts school classic bad guys or you can go aginst type a play a self rightous group or what to be heroes as bad guys

these are just ideas. follow your gut I'm sure you'll come up with something that works for you

doodleingcat21


Sea Rhapsody

PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2010 6:15 pm


Consider what it truly means to be a villain, to be the 'bad guy.' In general, all it takes is to go against the set rules of your society, to 'go against the tide,' so to speak. Therefore, if you wanted to spice things up a little, you could do away with the normal concept of the villain, and make your protagonist the one that goes against her society, making her take the place of the stereotypical villain. I don't know what your story is actually about, but it could work... maybe. It would be a man vs. Society type conflict.
PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 7:48 am


I was very very torn between the last two poll options.
A powerful ruler has the potential to make things rather difficult for the protagonist, by making laws or sending people after them or a number of other clichéd stuff that are popping into this reply because I can't think of better examples.

Anyway, you catch my drift (hopefully).

The average character, however, has potential to be empathised with by the reader, which I think is one of the main things of all. A villain, if working actively against the protagonist, needs a motive, one that's understandable and allows the reader to see things from his point of view. Without this, you have a needless desire for chaos, which just doesn't make sense. Why be evil for the sake of being evil?

This is of even greater importance if you're writing with a villain protagonist, because you write through the villain's eyes. Therefore you have to have understandable motives for things. Without the motive, you have a cardboard cutout of a character that you're pushing across the stage of your novel.

Okay, that was a bit too much of a metaphor. I'm sorry.

Sathael

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Hemlock Key

PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:06 am


I'm more for perspective villains. IE, when you're a kid, your parents are your villains. Then, when you have kids, you become their villain.

I like those characters that aren't really bad guys, they just happen to be the antagonist of the plot. An antagonist does not need to be a "villain" of the comic book/tv/movie set.

Sometimes your antagonist is the mailman that delivers your mail late every single day, which causes you to miss a letter from your girlfriend breaking up with you (yes, once upon a time people wrote each other these things called letters), and you're already on a train to go see her 3000 miles away. Then you end up at her place and bam, you're totally screwed.

No villain, but there's definitely conflict.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 7:31 pm


Well, sometimes circumstance takes the place of an actual villain. Misfortunes occur and compound, making the protagonist's life that much harder...

But beware of it, because too much of anything is bad.

Tapps the Watchmaker

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