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 Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 5:41 am
Okay I recently started a debate with a user known as kassaikiree and it really isn't going to well. Here I'll post the debate and you all can tell me how I should proceed. kasaikiree Dubyamn kasaikiree Dubyamn If you want to do the debate over PM I'm fine with that. Great! So, what are we fighting over agian? I was argueing that much of the problem with the deaths in Iraq was due to the "insurgency" using Civilians as both cover and as targets. Ah yes! Ok, well, while I'm sure that it happens in some cases, its the rare event. Americans kill many more. kasaikiree Dubyamn kasaikiree 163 killing by insurgents, as opposed to over 17000 isn't much. No it isn't however 5 minutes spent looking at it isn't really supposed to tally all of the deaths causedby the insurgency just to give an idea of the deaths that are accuring and right now it is the insurgency which is resposible for most of the deaths occuring. Why would the insurgents kill civilians? Now if this was a debate in real life this would be when I wound up and smacked the person who is refusing to debate on the actual merits of the argument. Now here is the question what is exactly the Gaian equivalent of a "do some research stupid smack?"
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 7:43 am
Technically most of the Iraqi "civilian" deaths caused by US forces are actually just terrorist deaths, which are impossible to confirm 100% due to the same reasons these very enemies are not protected by the Geneva convention. They do not wear uniforms, are not the military of a government, are indistinguishable from the local people, and they have no scruples about using hospitals, mosques, etc. as cover.
Additionally, there is the issue of illegal aliens in Iraq. Most of the terrorists we are fighting over there are not actually Iraqis, but illegal immigrants who have come to fight against the new Iraqi government and against the Coalition. Both Syria and Iran have been facilitating the entry-lines of these Jihadis.
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 8:37 am
Dubyamn Okay I recently started a debate with a user known as kassaikiree and it really isn't going to well. Here I'll post the debate and you all can tell me how I should proceed. kasaikiree Dubyamn kasaikiree 163 killing by insurgents, as opposed to over 17000 isn't much. No it isn't however 5 minutes spent looking at it isn't really supposed to tally all of the deaths causedby the insurgency just to give an idea of the deaths that are accuring and right now it is the insurgency which is resposible for most of the deaths occuring. Why would the insurgents kill civilians? Now if this was a debate in real life this would be when I wound up and smacked the person who is refusing to debate on the actual merits of the argument. Now here is the question what is exactly the Gaian equivalent of a "do some research stupid smack?" Here's the answer to her question why insurgents would kill civilians. Iraqi Shia's massacred on holy dayDemand she show proof to back up her points, don't settle for questionable sources, if she resorts to logical fallacies don't be afraid to point it out to undermine her arguement.
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 11:37 am
the car bombers in Iraq are blowing stuff up, there killing tons of Iraqies, and some americans, the terrorist are coming from other countries, and are against the new democracy in iraq. These terroerist are recruited in mauks, and no offence to the muslims but, almost all the terrorist are musilims, who think they are in a holy war. And all americans and countries who dont have a religious leader as there leader should be killed. Ok so in iraq now they are not only targeting just american soilders, there targeting the iraq military, and the civilians of iraq, trying to get the message to the americans to leave. So when they add the casulity to the iraq citizens, it really isnt americans killing them it's the terrorist's.
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Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 5:00 pm
Dubyamn Okay I recently started a debate with a user known as kassaikiree and it really isn't going to well. Here I'll post the debate and you all can tell me how I should proceed. kasaikiree Dubyamn kasaikiree Dubyamn If you want to do the debate over PM I'm fine with that. Great! So, what are we fighting over agian? I was argueing that much of the problem with the deaths in Iraq was due to the "insurgency" using Civilians as both cover and as targets. Ah yes! Ok, well, while I'm sure that it happens in some cases, its the rare event. Americans kill many more. kasaikiree Dubyamn kasaikiree 163 killing by insurgents, as opposed to over 17000 isn't much. No it isn't however 5 minutes spent looking at it isn't really supposed to tally all of the deaths causedby the insurgency just to give an idea of the deaths that are accuring and right now it is the insurgency which is resposible for most of the deaths occuring. Why would the insurgents kill civilians? Now if this was a debate in real life this would be when I wound up and smacked the person who is refusing to debate on the actual merits of the argument. Now here is the question what is exactly the Gaian equivalent of a "do some research stupid smack?" I've had a LOT of trouble with Kasakiree. She's one of those: "We totally deserved the 9/11 attacks" people. Honestly, she isn't even really worth it. stare
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Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 5:08 pm
Lixnia I've had a LOT of trouble with Kasakiree. She's one of those: "We totally deserved the 9/11 attacks" people. Honestly, she isn't even really worth it. stare Yeah I realized that pretty quickly. After a time she came to argue that attacks against civilians were okay because American forces were actually terrorists. After I pointed out how wrong a few of her contentions were she just stopped responding.
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Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 12:03 am
Dubyamn Lixnia I've had a LOT of trouble with Kasakiree. She's one of those: "We totally deserved the 9/11 attacks" people. Honestly, she isn't even really worth it. stare Yeah I realized that pretty quickly. After a time she came to argue that attacks against civilians were okay because American forces were actually terrorists. After I pointed out how wrong a few of her contentions were she just stopped responding. She has to be one of the most "out there" nut jobs on this website. She once told me that she had no use for logic. confused
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Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 2:31 pm
"I've had a LOT of trouble with Kasakiree. She's one of those: "We totally deserved the 9/11 attacks" people. Honestly, she isn't even really worth it"
I wonder if she volunteered to be one of those "human shields" just before the US went into Iraq. Pity that so many of those people survived.
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