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 Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 8:17 pm
Alright, so I was just thinking about Japanese drift racing, and it appeared to me that all of the cars looked the same (though of course the inside is what matters.)
So, I was wondering: to be able to drift, would you need a specific model of car/internal system, or is it all in the technique?
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Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 8:49 pm
Most competetive drift cars are:
Rear Wheel drive, (although an AWD car can also drift, its drift angle will be shallower and be less spectacular, requiring more horsepower and road to perform particularly impressive slides);
have an extremely lowered or aggressive stance in order to induce oversteer on corner turn in;
Have an extremely aggressive limited slip differential (important);
have much stiffer and less streetable spring rates and damping than other cars;
Have weight reduction and chassis rigidity modifications like roll cages, strut bars, fender bracing, and stitch welding done to make them more well balanced: oversteer on corner entry, understeer on corner exit and maintain neutral balance in between to get long drift angles without sudden interruptions or spin outs.
Opinions abound on the subject but I happen to be of the opinion that there's no best drift tyre, and it's all on user preference and availability.
beyond that, just about anything with the aftermarket support and enough money can be drifted. American; Asian; European, you can drift any of them. Engines of drift cars just need to be able to maintain easily controllable power through their torque band- not necessarily a lot of power. Again often a user preference and $$$ restraint thing For example- a 600hp Skyline GTT and a 250hp 240sx might be competing in the same drift class with similar results.
PS. I've seen your name before, have you posted in the other guild threads?
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Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 9:08 pm
Didn't Ueno have a underpowered 86 for awhile? Though they did have some proof that a FF( Front Engine/Front Wheel) car can drift. Drift Bible
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Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 9:18 pm
A front wheel drive car can slide. It cannot drift if we define drift as the use of the drive wheels to increase and sustain a controlled slide angle. E-braking for example cannot sustain the slide to say- drive around a central point at constant angle. Your tires will also have a massively uneven and puzzling wear pattern if you overcook it.
In the end all your tyres die a miserable death on a FF trying to 'drift' because the fronts will wear out from your car trying desperately to power through angles that the car was not meant to sustain especially considering the increased strain on the drive wheels also being the steering wheels and the wheels that are losing traction and burning up from wheel spin. The rear wheels will wear quite unevenly and strangely- leaving flat spots and bubbles when you do it too much.
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Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 2:50 am
4WD, its a lot tricker than RWD. Depending on the setup, you can go from massive understeer to almost un-savable oversteer in the blink of an eye. OR you can put the man-hours into it and get the transition good, at which point its possible to put some angle on it but its hard to hold the angle, and the angle won't be as large. So you won't get as many points, but you will go a good deal quicker. Handy for sudden death rounds or tandem, but you won't get to those rounds to begin with if you're being out-scored early on.
RWD is what drifting is based on, so don't try and re-write the rulebook or the physics textbook because it gets prohibitively expensive.
FWD, don't bother. You can induce the oversteer(read: scandi the thing so hard the rears go) but when you get back on it, it'll straighten out instead of holding the angle. Left-foot it to increase the angle, and you loose speed. So its pretty counter-intuitive to use this platform as you'll again end up being out-scored in any comp worth a damn(IIRC you get judged on entry speed, angle and a few other things)
So yer, that's about all I know about drifting as far as the competitions go. We did it for only about 6-9 months before the shop's drift car needed to be re-shelled from a massive stack. Then the boss pulled the plug.
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Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 5:52 am
A couple of questions:
Are drift cars typically equipped with spooled or Limited slip differentials?
@Joey Crash: Does 4WD have a different meaning down under? 'Cause up here AWD is the one with an open differential transfer case, 4WD doesn't.
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Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 7:49 am
Many of the high horsepower guys use spool because it's less likely to break everything- there's no spider gears or cross pins in them. Just a solid center. Catch is the wheels are always going the same speed and so the car's going to be hard to drive in a normal driving situation. However as far as I know most people still use limited slip differentials for adjustability and drivability in non drift situations.
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Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 5:22 pm
FF cars can drift...
We here in the UK call it understeer-followed-by-crash
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 2:41 am
Levis Pennae A couple of questions:
Are drift cars typically equipped with spooled or Limited slip differentials?
@Joey Crash: Does 4WD have a different meaning down under? 'Cause up here AWD is the one with an open differential transfer case, 4WD doesn't. Don't really know about that, because we never cared about those particular details. If all 4 wheels spun when you put it on the hoist, put it in 1st and slip the clutch, we just called it 4WD. You may be interested to know that some stuff falls between the American definition of "AWD" and "4WD," namely when you have an active center that locks some of the time time and shifts torque bias around most of the time. mrgreen
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 4:59 pm
I like how everyone bashes at FF drifting. But, someone had to bring it up.
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 10:04 pm
Not really because FF's don't do real drifts, they just slide around on wheels that are essentially just along for the ride.
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:03 pm
FF's do drift, assuming your e-brake works smile
That said, FF drifting in the snow is easy and fun.
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Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 1:02 am
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Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 3:22 am
I've decided I no longer care what the difference is between 'drifting' and 'sliding' a car.
Both are fun, both can be used to get an earlier acceleration point on a corner, and if a dude in a FF car can do it, the that certainly doesn't mean he's less of a driver than someone who can do it in a rear wheel car.
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Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 7:27 am
^^^Just because the bloke in the sliding car is on the pedal earlier, doesn't mean that he's necessarily carried more speed through and accelerating for a longer period of time. xd
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