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 Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 10:05 pm
The Bugatti Veyron as I'm sure you know, is the fastest thing on the streets in terms of top speed. Generally an all around great car, in terms of comfort and such. But it's very expensive at 1.7million USD and I think not very good looking. It's very subtle. I think insanely fast cars should have insanely fast looks. Apparently, even changing the tires will run you around 100k. The Caparo T1 has the insane looks I think a car should have. Though it's top speed is a far cry from the Veryrons, it has double the horse power per ton, and will beat it around a track. And lets face it, how often are you going to get a Veyron to it's top speed without seriously risking death on a public road? Never. As a road car, the Caparo is generally worse in terms of comfort and luxuries, as it has near nothing. But it's also nearly 3 times cheaper at around 450k USD.  If you were rich, which would you buy?
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Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 11:03 pm
Beware The Penguin The Bugatti Veyron as I'm sure you know, is the fastest thing on the streets in terms of top speed. Generally an all around great car, in terms of comfort and such. But it's very expensive at 1.7million USD and I think not very good looking. It's very subtle. I think insanely fast cars should have insanely fast looks. Apparently, even changing the tires will run you around 100k. The Caparo T1 has the insane looks I think a car should have. Though it's top speed is a far cry from the Veryrons, it has double the horse power per ton, and will beat it around a track. And lets face it, how often are you going to get a Veyron to it's top speed without seriously risking death on a public road? Never.As a road car, the Caparo is generally worse in terms of comfort and luxuries, as it has near nothing. But it's also nearly 3 times cheaper at around 450k USD. If you were rich, which would you buy? Veyron. It's quite simple really. How many times are you going to drive the Caparo T1 to its full potential on a track without seriously risking death VIA crashing into the barriers or even catching on fire. Not kidding. As a car, the Caparo T1 can only do speed. It can't do road car. It just doesn't work as a sensible road car. However, on the other hand, while the Veyron is not the best track car in the world, it still does manage to hold its own to a certain degree. It's still got enough performance and the right amount of engineering to make it a semi-reasonable "track-day car." And, what's more is you can drive it to and from the track in comfort and luxury. It's a semi-decent track car, and a great Grand-Tourer. Plus, I may get some abuse for this, but I don't actually think the Caparo is any better looking than the Veyron. In fact, I think I favor the Veyron more in the looks department. But, that's just my opinions on a car's looks, which is entirely subjective. Oh, and before anyone chimes in. Technically, the Shelby Ultimate Aero TT is the fastest road car in the world. But.. I still respect the Veyron more.
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Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 11:24 pm
Chron0s Beware The Penguin The Bugatti Veyron as I'm sure you know, is the fastest thing on the streets in terms of top speed. Generally an all around great car, in terms of comfort and such. But it's very expensive at 1.7million USD and I think not very good looking. It's very subtle. I think insanely fast cars should have insanely fast looks. Apparently, even changing the tires will run you around 100k. The Caparo T1 has the insane looks I think a car should have. Though it's top speed is a far cry from the Veryrons, it has double the horse power per ton, and will beat it around a track. And lets face it, how often are you going to get a Veyron to it's top speed without seriously risking death on a public road? Never.As a road car, the Caparo is generally worse in terms of comfort and luxuries, as it has near nothing. But it's also nearly 3 times cheaper at around 450k USD. If you were rich, which would you buy? Veyron. It's quite simple really. How many times are you going to drive the Caparo T1 to its full potential on a track without seriously risking death VIA crashing into the barriers or even catching on fire. Not kidding. As a car, the Caparo T1 can only do speed. It can't do road car. It just doesn't work as a sensible road car. However, on the other hand, while the Veyron is not the best track car in the world, it still does manage to hold its own to a certain degree. It's still got enough performance and the right amount of engineering to make it a semi-reasonable "track-day car." And, what's more is you can drive it to and from the track in comfort and luxury. It's a semi-decent track car, and a great Grand-Tourer. Plus, I may get some abuse for this, but I don't actually think the Caparo is any better looking than the Veyron. In fact, I think I favor the Veyron more in the looks department. But, that's just my opinions on a car's looks, which is entirely subjective. Oh, and before anyone chimes in. Technically, the Shelby Ultimate Aero TT is the fastest road car in the world. But.. I still respect the Veyron more. As far as I know, the Caparo's tendency to explode has been resolved, as both Top Gear and Fifth fear both had serious issue with it which is not good for publicity. So they've worked out the kinks. They've also added a road option on the car which raises it and makes it more comfy. It is of course still a far cry away from the Veyron in terms of comfort. Yeah it can definitely hold it's own. But if you were to take a good driver and make him lap both the T1 leaves it behind. True my bad, I forgot about the Aero. xD
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Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 11:43 pm
Something still tells me that a Bugatti Veyron would last longer in a endurance race against this Shelby Ultimate Aero.
I mean the Bugatti is just the pinnicle of engineering when it came out it cost more to build one than it did to buy one according to top gear. Additionally its a car that has been designed not only with blistering speed in mind, but also with the last-ability of a road car.
I wouldn't be surprised that the german made itallian hyper car wasn't more relaiable than a ferrari. (if properly maintained.)
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 3:03 am
I'd go with the Caparo. Why? I've been doing circuit work for a while now and that's about as close as I'll ever get to F1(which is basically risking serious injury or death every time you go anywhere in it LOL) It'll take some learning, but its not undoable(unless of course we get a bit wonky via alcohol, and we wake up the next morning to find that we've made an ALMS twin turbo system for it...and stuffed it under the bodywork with bits poking out here and there)
The Veyron is for me a toy for the obscenely rich: its main goal is top speed, everything else be damned. The design intent tells me that its the biggest ego-stroker out there bar none, unless you're rich enough to muck around with yachts or jets. The T1 however, was made to be enjoyed by people with particular passions. People who don't want just to know that they have all that power behind them.
The Caparo was made for people who will actually use all that power in anger, and who know(more or less) how to do it.
Unfortunately, once most people buy it, they probably get scared sh!tless, sell it off, take out an additional loan and buy a Veyron anyway(to soothe their ego's at not being able to handle what the Caparo can do) rofl
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 3:30 am
Joey Crash I'd go with the Caparo. Why? I've been doing circuit work for a while now and that's about as close as I'll ever get to F1(which is basically risking serious injury or death every time you go anywhere in it LOL) It'll take some learning, but its not undoable(unless of course we get a bit wonky via alcohol, and we wake up the next morning to find that we've made an ALMS twin turbo system for it...and stuffed it under the bodywork with bits poking out here and there) The Veyron is for me a toy for the obscenely rich: its main goal is top speed, everything else be damned. The design intent tells me that its the biggest ego-stroker out there bar none, unless you're rich enough to muck around with yachts or jets. The T1 however, was made to be enjoyed by people with particular passions. People who don't want just to know that they have all that power behind them. The Caparo was made for people who will actually use all that power in anger, and who know(more or less) how to do it. Unfortunately, once most people buy it, they probably get scared sh!tless, sell it off, take out an additional loan and buy a Veyron anyway(to soothe their ego's at not being able to handle what the Caparo can do) rofl I knew you would pick the T1. wink It really depends on what you want out of a car you plan to purchase and what you want to do with it. Incidentally, that's exactly what you're asking, BTP. If you're like me and you like nice luxurious cars with confused personalities like the Veyron, the M5, etc, etc. Then, Veyron it is. If you're a hardcore circuit racer like Joey. Caparo T1, bar none. Just don't kill yourself. lol
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 10:54 am
If I had to choose I would go with the Veyron. Even if i do find it very hideous and really heavy, go to the heart of the car and it is just one manificient work of engineering art.
Personally, the idea of an F1 car for the road doesn't really go well. When will you ever hit 4 g's on the streets without getting a speeding ticket?
Mabye you can try to do what Jeremy said with the downforce stuff. xD
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 12:07 pm
What would be ideal is if someone took the engine from the Veyron and shoe-horned it into something that looked like a T1, or more prefferable an XJ220...Then make it handle like a Lotus Exige...
But to choose from the two I'd go for the Veyron, I like living when driving on the streets
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 3:03 am
Mendokuse92 I like living when driving on the streets No kidding. With the Caparo you're essentially driving a downforce car to the market, and with downforce cars you need a good amount of speed to warm the tyres up(unless you are on road tyres, which work when cold but introduce other problems with spirited driving) With the suspension being set for it, its not an enviable job to get a Caparo anywhere in the civilian world without emptying the bladder once or twice. IIRC some people who bought the T1 wrecked because the car is so dependent on its aero to work properly, they went off because they were't going fast enough(according to Wikipedia, it can apparently produce about twice its weight in downforce and this leads to suspension being designed for it at the expense of other things) Which is an absolute no-no for a road car, which must function properly at all times.
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 9:18 am
 I am actually really surprised that no one here has said this is a good looking car. I LOVE the Veyron. It is simply Engineering at it's best. The Veyron outperforms a ton of supercars with a cow's worth of leather, and more creature comforts than cadillac can dream of. Without a doubt... The Veyron is the most impressive vehicle I've ever seen.
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 4:19 pm
The Veyron is not a good looking car...But I have to agree that it is an epic engineering demonstration...Like Concorde as Topgear have once said. Personally I would like to see the Hennessey Vemon GT...Or in layman's terms a Lotus Elise with 1000 american horses crammed into it 1000 bhp in a car weighing ~1200 Kg wow
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 4:13 am
You know one of the things bugging me about the T1 is how they put the shockers on the nose. Bang right in the airstream. Driver comfort maybe to keep incoming air out of their faces?
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