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 Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 7:59 pm
Yes I know this is a hard subject to deal with but I feel to like to see other peoples views on it. Many people are calling us the problem for this and such but the conservative radicalist are the real problems I'm conservative, yes but I'm no radical. I have come up with a compromise which would benefit both sides.
1) Call it by a diffrent name to get the radicals off the gays backs
2) make it so that in NO WAY,like Canada, the gays can make any
person/organization be forced under the law of businesses and such
can't discriminate against belief gender etc. etc. so that its fair. Then
Gays can just go to L.A. or something alot of Liberal Christian churches
are there and they'll gladly marry them probably.
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 8:03 pm
Oh, but I AM totally against 'gay Christian churches' the Bible clearly states its against Gods will (if you want I can get verses) and thus 'gay Christian churches' are as hypocritical as the main medevil church.
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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 12:18 am
im in agreement with the second post, Cradoc.
homosexuality is abnormal. it serves no purpose to further the human race, and is a deviant attitude.
there is no way that gays can naturally have children with each other. therefore it is wrong.
however, if they want to do that stuff, then go right on ahead.
just do not involve me or constrain my rights in any way.
and america's still dealing with it...one state's set to allow gay marriages. the rest of our swell country's still against them.
thankfully.
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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 2:58 am
I know alot of theology in this area because I have debated against liberal and secular Christians in the past. There are denominational churches who support such corruption within the body of Christ and its becoming a movement. Liberal Christians arguments are based on compromise and flawed biblical theology which is a dangerous teaching spiritually.
Here are basic Conservative arguments:
1) Romans 1:20-28 details on homosexual sex as idolatry and against human nature whom God created in Creation.
2) Same-sex marriage does not exist in the eyes of God. God created men and women, to be able to unionize with each other. The Bible does not state that same-sex couples are able to have a union under God.
Here are basic Liberal arguments:
1) The Bible does not speak about homosexuality direct nor does it condemn in the New Testament.
2) The Bible leaves an opening for homosexual marriage for they are protect from committing adultery, which God promised in 1 Corinthians.
The Liberal interpretation is corrupt and denies the context in scripture. They deny Romans 1:26-27 which is the strongest evidence against homosexuality. The Greek says it and even the early Church Fathers say it. The Bible does speak against homosexuality and its not silent in the New Testament.
An opening for homosexual marriage in the Bible is blasphemy! This argument is dogma, its not biblical. The Apostle Paul in his letters does not leave an opening for same-sex marriage. The context in 1 Cor shows no opening what so ever! This is made-up trash; even Paul clearly shows that he supports heterosexual marriage only.
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Jedediah Smith Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 10:31 am
Yes another thing to add is a time when Israel fell I remember it saying something like this (I hate it when I don't know verses sweatdrop )
"and even the women went against Gods plan for them and engaged in sexual acts with each other"
something along those lines...but yea this not only proves against homesexuality but because of its wording (I'd have to see what verse and Hebrew version to confirm this) it also proves the argument that the Christian religion is sexist because the way its worded comes out that women have higher morals than men and weren't too expected to do so and thus were held in a high degree.
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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 7:01 pm
*sigh*... THIS topic. I wish it would evaporate or something. See, I live with a very pro-gay group. yes, yes, I know, bad, but they're awesome friends otherwise... so it bothers me we can't beleive the same things... and I wish it was some distant problem we didn't have to deal with anyways, but I know some people who actually ARE gay.. which makes it that much more difficult... but they don't press me too much about it... we're fairly open minded, and as long as I'm not calling them names (or worse) for beleiving what they want, they don't bug me.
I live in Canada btw! ^^ yersh...
I think that there is no arguement for the bible saying it is okay for gays, because it already says it isn't. so no matter how many verses give a vague pointer that it IS, just... don't matter, because it wouldn't give us two messages. those verses are just being interpreted the way they want to be... yup ^^;;;
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 10:27 am
Sodomy and Lesbianism is WRong. Let us not use an old Christian term to describe some one that is a pervert. Gay means happy and happy only! We must stop saying he or she is gay. Let us use the proper terms; Sodomy and Lesbianism. Yes, Sodomites and Lesbians can be funny, but so are drug users and alcoholics. Yes they can be good fun friends but so can drug useres and drunks. We can't just say,"Well they might be a Sodomite(or Lesbian) but they are fun!" God doesn't think(per His whole Word) that Sodomites are funny or cute. But now-days we have to be politically correct. Well I for one am sick having history, science, English, math etc destroyed by the hummanists. I am sick of Christians going on retreats how are we on Judgement Day going to say we did something when we didn't?
I agree with you all and I to wish this subject wouldn't come up.
Yours in Him,
Sage
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 1:49 pm
just a fwi the Bible has NOTHING against having Sodomite/Lesbian friends its just your not suppose to be CLOSE friends with them. ^.^;; if anyone has verses to help support this please post I hate posting things without knowing what I got it from.
oh and the verse I'm refering to I think uses the word Gentiles or sinners.
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 2:35 pm
I wrote a paper in reply to a much over-used post of Ananel's dealing with this subject. It's quite lengthy, but I'll post it if you would like.
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 2:37 pm
sure post, I like essays.
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 2:51 pm
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 2:58 pm
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 6:42 am
Cradoc just a fwi the Bible has NOTHING against having Sodomite/Lesbian friends its just your not suppose to be CLOSE friends with them. ^.^;; if anyone has verses to help support this please post I hate posting things without knowing what I got it from. oh and the verse I'm refering to I think uses the word Gentiles or sinners. besides, we're supposed to love everyone, and god loves them, even though they have sinned. (didn't I read somewhere that all sin is equal, there is no "greater" sin, so aren't they doing something as bad as... lying? *shrug* just something I thought of...) I AM trying to get closer to all of my Christian friends, although it is proving difficult since my church lacks high school females and is overpopulated with the guys... sweatdrop
yea... *sigh*
@LittleKuroNeko: yes, that's pretty much whereI stand on the marriage issue. If they want to, let them. just because the government approves, doesn't mean it's right, or that God approves too.
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:41 am
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 1:24 pm
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