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 Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 6:38 pm
Can someone please explain to me, all these theories or atleast the main "hot topic" theories to me in a detailed report?
I don't want to see for example.... "Cash for clunkers is a program that is crashing our economy because the goverment is practically giving away our money for nothing!" or "Cash for clunkers was created because car companies needed more money!" i don't even want to see "Cash for clunkers! Its a conspiracy maaaaaaaan!"
What i prefer to see is... something like this
Cash for clunkers is a program that was created to get us to give our cars to the car dealership so that the car dealership could smash the car and turn it into scrap metal and then give it to china, because china would not accept the u.s. dollar and thus we had to pay to get cars from china with the cars people turned in, using cash for clunkers. This helped stimulate the u.s. economy in... etc
Now, please explain to me what is going on with valid and thought-out reasoning.
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Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:09 pm
Or you could do your own research, click some links, watch some videos, read, do some thinking on your own. The subject matter in this guild is too diverse and in-depth to be summed up in a single report.
If you want to be spoon-fed then go watch the news or something.
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Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:20 pm
what Obscurus said...
anything I could say would be useless because you'll need to do your own research to confirm it... so just research, i've outlined the topics and given starter links to help you on your search.
if you have a more specific question, ask.
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Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:56 pm
everything is imagination, and imagination doesn't exist.
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Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 12:58 am
I'll go with Arcane because "your truth" is your own to shape and accept and make your reality. We're just a group of people whose realities and personal "truths" have intersected like a Venn Diagram. We could send you detailed reports of all the things we personally believe, and like us you'd just cut and paste, within your own thoughts, what made the most sense to you. In the end it's best for you to seek your own facts and form your own "truths" from the facts that fit the best and make the most sense from the perspective of your own paradigms.
Though, if at any time you find holes in facts that you feel should connect somewhere feel free to bring them up to us and we'll help you to figure out how to connect the dots with the facts you may have missed. That's what this place is about.
Not here to spoon feed bro. Just to give direction and be directed.
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Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:39 pm
If we told you what you should believe then we'd all be missing the point of this guild, I think.
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Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:44 pm
I've done my own research. However, if you cannot explain it yourselves and just tell me to click a few links... That probably means you don't really understand it yourselves. How are you going to spread a truth or side with anyone or anything or even make a change if you cannot explain it. You can write me about and and put references and show me what you know or you can do the same thing and just tell everyone the same thing "Look for the answers yourself" This beats the purpose of the guild. All i see is "links to articles and videos" in this guild, yet those things often takes things out of context or ignores the good that could come of w/e its complaining about.
Tell me, if you're going to just tell everyone the same matter on the subject, what are YOU all going to do to make a change? Just change ur lifestyle to make sure the goverment doesnt get you? Or are you actually going to take a path to try to stop w/e the heck is going on?
All i see is links, but no breakdown on anything.
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Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 7:05 pm
Kurojishi Mikoto I've done my own research. However, if you cannot explain it yourselves and just tell me to click a few links... That probably means you don't really understand it yourselves. How are you going to spread a truth or side with anyone or anything or even make a change if you cannot explain it. You can write me about and and put references and show me what you know or you can do the same thing and just tell everyone the same thing "Look for the answers yourself" This beats the purpose of the guild. All i see is "links to articles and videos" in this guild, yet those things often takes things out of context or ignores the good that could come of w/e its complaining about. Tell me, if you're going to just tell everyone the same matter on the subject, what are YOU all going to do to make a change? Just change ur lifestyle to make sure the goverment doesnt get you? Or are you actually going to take a path to try to stop w/e the heck is going on? All i see is links, but no breakdown on anything. If you've done the research then why do you need it spoon-fed to you? I could give you a breakdown of what I believe the truth to be, but it's probably going to be different from what anyone else will give you. What good is me telling you how I feel about it? You need to make up your own mind about this. In my opinion, there is nothing we can do about it. Others are more optimistic. You're not going to find a high level of consistency between peoples' views in this guild.
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Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 7:25 pm
solution = spread awareness
we can not tell people what to believe, only to ask them to look into it themselves. we can not wake them up, they have to wake themselves up.
once enough people are AWARE of all of this, then it can easily be stopped, as we will be the majority. currently we are a very small minority and regardless of how much we voice our opinions, nothing will come of it, because they all think we are CRAZY. if everyone knew what we knew, we could take back control because we the people are the operators of the system. we can cut electricity and water from government buildings, we can put people of suspicion under surveillance, we could broadcast REAL news on the media and all sorts of things.
research is a never ending thing, you can't just stop and say you've figured it all out. new information is always rising, and what you might have believed before could be dis-proven or expanded upon. or perhaps a better clearer, more logical theory with more proof will surface. there are several things i no longer believe, and several other things i now believe that i didn't before. DON'T stop researching.
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 5:37 am
TrutherMay solution = spread awareness we can not tell people what to believe, only to ask them to look into it themselves. we can not wake them up, they have to wake themselves up. once enough people are AWARE of all of this, then it can easily be stopped, as we will be the majority. currently we are a very small minority and regardless of how much we voice our opinions, nothing will come of it, because they all think we are CRAZY. if everyone knew what we knew, we could take back control because we the people are the operators of the system. we can cut electricity and water from government buildings, we can put people of suspicion under surveillance, we could broadcast REAL news on the media and all sorts of things. research is a never ending thing, you can't just stop and say you've figured it all out. new information is always rising, and what you might have believed before could be dis-proven or expanded upon. or perhaps a better clearer, more logical theory with more proof will surface. there are several things i no longer believe, and several other things i now believe that i didn't before. DON'T stop researching. Spreading awareness isn't going to solve anything. People could know their government is horrible and it won't change anything. Nothing changes without action and if no one does anything to take action, then no one ever will. People won't act as a body once enough is aware, especially americans. Its mainly about one person taking action, another person taking notice and then more people taking notice and participating. What people look for, are leaders to guide them. That's basically what you're most likely waiting for. Obscurus: If its any different from what others give you, the information is probably and most likely filled with holes and doesnt present any hard facts and the fact of the matter is, thats how it seems from alot of the things i've seen and read here. There is much good in telling people about it and to say that theres no good in telling people about it, is ridiculous. It's not everyday that people go "Hey, i want to know more and dicuss" and that makes it a fine opportunity to spread influence on the idea. Anyways, if you're not even going to participate in the topic and insist on not sharing you're thoughts, it beats the purpose of having a guild where you gather people together to discuss. Especially since this is a forum based guild. So, if you insist on the idea of not talking on my particular thread... don't post. You will be saving your time and mine.
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 6:44 am
Gandhi once said Be the change you wish to see in the world.
I am into living that philosophy. As such, I talk about the goings on of the world and work to uplift myself and those I come in contact with. As I continue on I'll build others and myself ever higher and eventually bring the wicked system to its knees. Rome wasn't built nor destroyed in a day. Neither was the NWO. Why are you in such a rush?
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 3:51 pm
Quinz J Morro Gandhi once said Be the change you wish to see in the world. I am into living that philosophy. As such, I talk about the goings on of the world and work to uplift myself and those I come in contact with. As I continue on I'll build others and myself ever higher and eventually bring the wicked system to its knees. Rome wasn't built nor destroyed in a day. Neither was the NWO. Why are you in such a rush? I never said i was and neevr said i was going to take part in this. I am simply talking about a subject to determine what is the real problem, if there is any. Philosophy is just an extension of the word, wisdom. As such, it is unwise to not know what you are angry about. The system might in fact not be wicked at all, and just poorly made. The media feeds lies and yet, everything here points to the media and the media gives nothing concrete to follow on. As it is now, no one is attempting to build "rome". They got the idea that they should build it, but they don't know how to build it. Nor, do they choose to learn the fundamentals to build it and thus, creates inaction. So, rome is never going to be built if things remain the same. To be the change you wish to see in the world, you must understand how to be this "change". As the chinese said, the secret to life is knowing where to find the answers and this guild does not seem to know the answers. If the guild wishes for the answers, they should speak and share their ideas.
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 9:58 pm
Kurojishi Mikoto TrutherMay solution = spread awareness we can not tell people what to believe, only to ask them to look into it themselves. we can not wake them up, they have to wake themselves up. once enough people are AWARE of all of this, then it can easily be stopped, as we will be the majority. currently we are a very small minority and regardless of how much we voice our opinions, nothing will come of it, because they all think we are CRAZY. if everyone knew what we knew, we could take back control because we the people are the operators of the system. we can cut electricity and water from government buildings, we can put people of suspicion under surveillance, we could broadcast REAL news on the media and all sorts of things. research is a never ending thing, you can't just stop and say you've figured it all out. new information is always rising, and what you might have believed before could be dis-proven or expanded upon. or perhaps a better clearer, more logical theory with more proof will surface. there are several things i no longer believe, and several other things i now believe that i didn't before. DON'T stop researching. Spreading awareness isn't going to solve anything. People could know their government is horrible and it won't change anything. Nothing changes without action and if no one does anything to take action, then no one ever will. People won't act as a body once enough is aware, especially americans. Its mainly about one person taking action, another person taking notice and then more people taking notice and participating. What people look for, are leaders to guide them. That's basically what you're most likely waiting for. Obscurus: If its any different from what others give you, the information is probably and most likely filled with holes and doesnt present any hard facts and the fact of the matter is, thats how it seems from alot of the things i've seen and read here. There is much good in telling people about it and to say that theres no good in telling people about it, is ridiculous. It's not everyday that people go "Hey, i want to know more and dicuss" and that makes it a fine opportunity to spread influence on the idea. Anyways, if you're not even going to participate in the topic and insist on not sharing you're thoughts, it beats the purpose of having a guild where you gather people together to discuss. Especially since this is a forum based guild. So, if you insist on the idea of not talking on my particular thread... don't post. You will be saving your time and mine. In that case, what do you want me to tell you? You asked for a report on all of this, but I can't provide that. I can go on and on about this stuff, but I need a place to start. If you want my input then ask me about something specific. I'm not so good with the "tell me everything" sort of thing. It's not that I don't want to talk to you; it just seemed to me like you want us to tell you everything. My question is: Everything about what? As I said, not everyone here agrees with or believes in some of these things. Give me something specific to start me off and I'll be happy to oblige. I assume though that you're saying you want to know about the NWO since that seems to be the main focus of this guild. I think that the NWO basically comes down to rich and powerful people wanting to be richer and more powerful. Comes down to human greed. I don't think it's any more complicated or sinister than that, personally. The evidence is all around us.
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Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 6:22 am
Kurojishi Mikoto Quinz J Morro Gandhi once said Be the change you wish to see in the world. I am into living that philosophy. As such, I talk about the goings on of the world and work to uplift myself and those I come in contact with. As I continue on I'll build others and myself ever higher and eventually bring the wicked system to its knees. Rome wasn't built nor destroyed in a day. Neither was the NWO. Why are you in such a rush? I never said i was and neevr said i was going to take part in this. I am simply talking about a subject to determine what is the real problem, if there is any. Philosophy is just an extension of the word, wisdom. As such, it is unwise to not know what you are angry about. The system might in fact not be wicked at all, and just poorly made. The media feeds lies and yet, everything here points to the media and the media gives nothing concrete to follow on. As it is now, no one is attempting to build "rome". They got the idea that they should build it, but they don't know how to build it. Nor, do they choose to learn the fundamentals to build it and thus, creates inaction. So, rome is never going to be built if things remain the same. To be the change you wish to see in the world, you must understand how to be this "change". As the chinese said, the secret to life is knowing where to find the answers and this guild does not seem to know the answers. If the guild wishes for the answers, they should speak and share their ideas. You completely missed the point of everything I said. No one in this guild is attempting to build a corrupt society. That's what those we're speaking about are doing. It's taken them over 300 (if not way more) years to do so, and you're asking us to give a "report" of all this. You want the people here to give what they know, answers they've come to based on their own research and life experiences. You ask a lot. I gave my answer though, and you misinterpreted it. If you're here with your thoughts closed and asking to be spoonfed then this really isn't the place for you Kuro.
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Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 2:33 pm
Never EVER ask someone else for the truth. There is no truth but the one you find for yourself.
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