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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 6:44 pm
With so many people busy with school, work and other things in our lives at times it is hard to make time to work on your spiritual self. There are also the problems of money and parental or significant other understanding. So how do you handle all this? Do you have any tips for others in the guild how to balance things out and make the time?
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 6:51 pm
Today was the first time in years that I took the time to organize a nice altar. Between moving, children and pets, I did not have the proper place for an altar and I just kept putting off making the time. But I am very proud of myself for finally getting it up. I still have another altar to put up but I need more statues. So I do understand time and other issues, and I don't think anyone should feel bad about not having something up during certain times in your life.
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:48 am
I have never had any problems with the things described above. I feel the only thing we can really do is prioritize, and acknowledge that spirituality doesn't always require pageantry.
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:32 am
I wouldn't call putting up an altar pageantry. It shows a certain level of respect for our beliefs and our deities.
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 12:21 pm
i have to agree with flamegaurdian. building an altar(just like having ritual tools) is so that we can have a physical manifestation of our spiritual beleifs. it helps our minds connect to the divine by putting the divine into a metaphor that your physically oriented mind can associate with better
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 1:10 pm
shadowflameguardian I wouldn't call putting up an altar pageantry. I feel there is just cause to call it such from a religious perspective. Pageantry is a rich or colorful display. Catholic Mass is pageantry, Wiccan ritual is pageantry- it is something physical to break us out of the motion in our daily lives and catch our attention. On a psychological level, it can alter our brainwaves. Some of the most moving spiritual experiences I have been a part of used pageantry to create a sense of other-worldliness, that way the drone of daily life was so far from our minds that we were able to experience everything on a deeper level. shadowflameguardian It shows a certain level of respect for our beliefs and our deities. I do not feel that pageantry and respect cannot co-exist in a single action. Elfshaman i have to agree with flamegaurdian. building an altar(just like having ritual tools) is so that we can have a physical manifestation of our spiritual beleifs. it helps our minds connect to the divine by putting the divine into a metaphor that your physically oriented mind can associate with better Within a religious studies course, this description is used to address religious pageantry.
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 5:57 pm
Brass Bell Doll shadowflameguardian I wouldn't call putting up an altar pageantry. I feel there is just cause to call it such from a religious perspective. Pageantry is a rich or colorful display. Catholic Mass is pageantry, Wiccan ritual is pageantry- it is something physical to break us out of the motion in our daily lives and catch our attention. On a psychological level, it can alter our brainwaves. Some of the most moving spiritual experiences I have been a part of used pageantry to create a sense of other-worldliness, that way the drone of daily life was so far from our minds that we were able to experience everything on a deeper level. shadowflameguardian It shows a certain level of respect for our beliefs and our deities. I do not feel that pageantry and respect cannot co-exist in a single action. Elfshaman i have to agree with flamegaurdian. building an altar(just like having ritual tools) is so that we can have a physical manifestation of our spiritual beleifs. it helps our minds connect to the divine by putting the divine into a metaphor that your physically oriented mind can associate with better Within a religious studies course, this description is used to address religious pageantry. i will abmit that was well put. i'd have to look up some words in a dictionary or something if i wanted to do more research but from that argument i might say yes, altars and ritual do indeed bring pageantry to our practices. but some would take pageantry and mean it in the sense of fake or a show, such as a beauty pageant. so i also understand flameguardians initial hesitation to use that term.
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 8:27 pm
Elfshaman i will abmit that was well put. i'd have to look up some words in a dictionary or something if i wanted to do more research but from that argument i might say yes, altars and ritual do indeed bring pageantry to our practices. May I recommend some sources? Embracing the Moon by Yasmine Galenorn is an excellent book. I believe she describes the difference between ritual that changes our experience of the world and what she calls "dramatic play", acting out in order to draw attention to ourselves. The first is the description of Pageantry that my World Religions professor discussed when he commented on my paper. Elfshaman but some would take pageantry and mean it in the sense of fake or a show, such as a beauty pageant. so i also understand flameguardians initial hesitation to use that term. I sincerely apologize if any offense was taken, though I do not find those scholarship programs to be in and of themselves "fake", even if some of the contestants are.
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 8:33 pm
Personally, I still don't like the term pageantry because I don't feel that my small altar in my home is pageantry. It is in my bedroom so no one pretty much ever sees it and it is there to honor those who come to me. My altar is comprised of candles to represent the masculine, feminine, and elements. Then I have a dream catcher, feathers and a candle to honor my ancestors. Since it is springtime I also have some roses, herbs and two small statues. Nothing extravagant, just a place of honor.
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 8:36 pm
Yeah i guess like the others said, it all just has to do with prioritizing. You just need to sort out either in your mind or on paper, what you need to do, and work out a schedule for it. Making time for this is just like making time for any other sort of thing that you like to do and/is important to you.
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 8:49 pm
How about suggestions for those who can't afford things or have parents who don't agree with their path?
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:17 pm
shadowflameguardian How about suggestions for those who can't afford things or have parents who don't agree with their path? ok my modification for the navy actually might work with this. think little stuff. with parents who dont agree, and with little money candles are cheap and you can get them small. also they dont look special. sea salt and water are some other things that i have on my altar and are again not really strange or expensive. you could even use normal salt if needed.flowers is a good thing since it just looks like decorations. depending on the parents statues for goddess could look like angel statues. i got an angel statue at a dollar store that i used for a while as my goddess piece(now i have a small vial of silver flakes). crystals are a little bit more pricey depending on the area. you may be able to convince your parents you just want them cause they look cool. instead of a bell or drum i use my ipod which again isnt really strange. another thing to note is that ritual tools are alot like christmas presents when youre a little kid, its the thought that counts so making stuff for your altar works as well. many parents encourage their kids to be creative so see if you can get clay and build things out of that.this weekend i'll be posting in the lesson forum at least some explanations on tools(there is a thread already there i just havent put any info other than the intro). also i'll post a picture of my altar here so people can ask questions and we can discuss ideas. flameguardian and anyone else with a home altar should consider doing the same since some of the newer people benefit from seeing rather than just reading.
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:36 pm
Growing up, my parents accepted it to a point. I was allowed one book and that was it. The rest of the time I had to borrow from friends and check out libraries. But the one thing I could always get away with was candles. Most parents wouldn't suspect candles as long as you arrange them in a certain way. I mean don't clump them all together when you are not doing a ritual. I think if I would have put all my candles together in one spot I'm sure somebody would have caught on. But remember fire safety and try not to catch anything on fire. Even if the fire is pretty. xd Sorry that is the fire element in me showing through.
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:40 pm
shadowflameguardian Personally, I still don't like the term pageantry because I don't feel that my small altar in my home is pageantry. It is in my bedroom so no one pretty much ever sees it and it is there to honor those who come to me. Is there a reason you feel pageantry cannot be for personal benefit?
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:46 pm
My experience with subtle spiritual places stems from a workplace where our cubicle had a little shelf to hold up the monitor and the company allowed us to keep whatever we wanted below it.
I kept a Sand Dollar to stand in as a pent. Not only does it have the star inside the circle, but when you break open a sand dollar, little white bird-shaped shells fall out. There is a legend about these being Doves of Peace.
I kept a small bottle of water, one of those artificial tea lights for fire and some pretty stones for earth.
I also make portable alter beads. They are beaded bracelets with charms on them. I use them for mantras, and they have all the tools I would use on a regular alter.
I often use my free time to walk outdoors. One of the consecrations I grew up with goes something along the lines of "I conjure salt for savor, I conjure oil for power, I conjure water for the lightning hour"
Salt, and oil and water are already inside of us, so I use my own body as a focus and will meditate as I walk.
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