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Chieftain Twilight Captain
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 Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 3:41 am
is Destiny a Script for us to follow, on this Stage we call our World? or do our Choices determine the outcome of our Destinies? are there any Prophets who can tell us what our relationship to Destiny is? are we the Makers of Destiny, or is Destiny our Maker? or are we our Destinies embodied?
these are thought that have been plaguing me recently, but which have not been made easily graspable until tonight. i guess it always seems to choose it's own time to be ready, these thoughts of mine. xd
i've been going through alot of stress lately, and had some intresting string of events occurred. as it stands, i've had some issues to work out with Shan, which we are still in the middle of. things are looking up-ish, but there is no way to ignore the damage... however, it does have it's positive effects.
i've been given a sort of task, which has actually proven to lead to some much-needed personal development. i have been focusing alot on "being myself", which, ironically, has been a very strange thing for me. it feels so different. hahaha! xd
this development has helped me however to overcome alot of problems i have had all my life, as well as to help me grow in areas of understanding as well as self-control. it's had a surprisingly powerful influence on all aspects of my being. i am glad for it.
i have also come to another interesting development. this would be the tearing down of a philosophy that i have held close to me for years, and which has been a part of my moral identitity during all of that time.
you see, i have believed that Fear was a useless emotion, one that was not needed. Fear represents an illusion, a self-destructive lie to oneself. it overcomes you by convincing you to give up. i have believed that that is pointless, because if you are going to fail anyway, why not still try to win? why not put up a fight? Courage would be the act of continuing on despite Fear, but if you have no Fear than you need no Courage. and thus, Courage would be just as useless as Fear.
but i was wrong. because i could never realy live without Fear, n matter how much i tried. even knowing and believing in it's pointlessness, the fact that it is a lie, didn't get rid of it. i was left with only the choice to either continue to deny and ignore the fact that i couldn't eliminate my Fear, or to accept that perhaps Fear does have some purpose after all. what exactly that Purpose is is beyond me, but i guess that's part of what this post is for.
all this ties together with the concept of the Self, the Ego, one's Personality... who are we? how do we determine who we are? how do we know we are who we are for sure? by what method do we determine our identities?
i came to a theory a while back, that perhaps Identity is realy nothing more than Name and Profession. perhaps we determine our Self by what name we respond to and what role we play. it is said that in life we as people wear many masks, many faces, many "selves". it seems we are completely different people from group to group. in one circle of friends we are, say, "Zack, the weird D&D kid who talks online and doesn't comb his hair", while in an entirely different circle of peers we are "Twi, the talkative Drunk who is an authority on the construction of Music", and in yet another social circle we are "Master, the sensitive-yet-protective Slave-owner who needs affection and company".
could this Theory be true? is that all that determines who we are? are we all interchangeable people, with many personalities, many identities? or is there realy some solid definition of "Self"?
anywho, please discuss this rather large and comprehensive topic freely and openly.
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 12:45 pm
Okay just some general thoughts... according to Christianity, God is Omniscient. Therefore he knows all. So to me by definition this would mean that he knows what your going to do and what your going to choose. So if he already knows what your going to decide, then you really don't have free will and things are set down before you even had a choice. Now to us it seems like we have a choice and can decide what to do, but his existence as defined by Christianity would say we really do not. Of course this is all assuming you believe exactly what they say.
Hmmm.. as I sit typing out some thoughts they themselves become muddied and murky from the start idea to a conclusion. So as I ponder them and digest meanings here is the original beginning of what I was going to say, take it with a grain of salt as its incomplete thoughts:
Personally I tend to think of it all like a river. We flow down the river as we travel through time sort of like a swimming fish. We may stop and hang out in a spot for a while, then eventually move onward. However, there are things like rocks sticking out of the river which are markers of a sort of certain events for us personally. And we pass them eventually, but not always in a straight manner. So there are events that are destined and set for us, but the means of getting there are where we have our free will and choices involved.
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Chieftain Twilight Captain
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 1:48 pm
well, i have a few thing sto say on the whole omniscient god thing and christianity...
1.) i'm not christian. i don't realy believe in religion anyway. i think that it is rediculous for humans to think that they have all the right answers to any divine truth, that they claim to know what their god is and everything about him and his plan. it kind of goes against some of what even they preach about him!
2.) even if he is omniscient, that doesn't nessesarilly mean he knows what we will choose. what if the truth is that our choices realy are indeterminable? then all he knows is that that we have a choice, and that that choice effects the future. but if he realy does know what we are going to choose, as though even our choices are already predetermined, then the future realy is already written in stone. that it to say that we are right back where we started. how can we assume that it's right just cause some religion says so?
3.) i've never liked the idea of any single being being omniscient, omniprescent and omnipotent. i know that there are gods that are one of these things at a time, and that they all rely on eachother in order to be a complete force, but whatever progenitous creator god that may have ever existed might not still exist. and even if he did/does, i dunno if i can believe in it being singular and all those three above-mentioned traits.
now, as for Time, i just can't believe in your concept, because it just doesn't fit for Time to be linear. i believe in Einstein's theory of Relativity. Time is Relative to Space. it just fits when i put it all together.
now i'm not saying that i am efinately right and you are definately wrong. i'm just saying why your vision doesn't seem logical to me.
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 7:41 pm
Well the biggest problem with time is that it is the 4th dimension and as we are 3 dimensional beings can't see this 4th dimension and mere pass through it. Sort of like a drawing on paper which is 2D... it has no real grasp of the 3rd D but merely moves around this as the paper is moved. However we can fudge it, and play little tricks and thus appear to have the 3D. Similarly we can do little tricks and things to appear to be 4D but in truth we are not. The best quote about time... from one of my favorite DW episodes: The Doctor People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but *actually* from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint - it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff. Interesting thought experiment... what would a person look like to a 4D being? Personally I tend to think it would have to be worm like, as we start out as a single cell (point) then grow out to the human shape in a small size that gets bigger but keeps the same shape and then shrinks in old age and then reverts to nothing again after death. What we see as a person is merely one sliver of that person through time. Sort of like taking a sliver of an organ and putting it on a slide for viewing. You have to put all those slivers together to get the real shape of the being in 4D. Anyways, I'm falling asleep at the computer and have TONS of work to still do, so I'll be going in early to work tomorrow... see ya'll tomorrow some time.
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Chieftain Twilight Captain
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 11:30 pm
Cronos the Timekeeper Well the biggest problem with time is that it is the 4th dimension and as we are 3 dimensional beings can't see this 4th dimension and mere pass through it. Sort of like a drawing on paper which is 2D... it has no real grasp of the 3rd D but merely moves around this as the paper is moved. However we can fudge it, and play little tricks and thus appear to have the 3D. Similarly we can do little tricks and things to appear to be 4D but in truth we are not. The best quote about time... from one of my favorite DW episodes: The Doctor People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but *actually* from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint - it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff. Interesting thought experiment... what would a person look like to a 4D being? Personally I tend to think it would have to be worm like, as we start out as a single cell (point) then grow out to the human shape in a small size that gets bigger but keeps the same shape and then shrinks in old age and then reverts to nothing again after death. What we see as a person is merely one sliver of that person through time. Sort of like taking a sliver of an organ and putting it on a slide for viewing. You have to put all those slivers together to get the real shape of the being in 4D. Anyways, I'm falling asleep at the computer and have TONS of work to still do, so I'll be going in early to work tomorrow... see ya'll tomorrow some time. hm... that is definately interesting. it gets me wondering about that... remids me alot of Carl Sagan... anywho, i need to watch this show, it sounds interesting. Doctor Wierd, is it?
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 8:59 am
No it's Doctor Who... the episode I mentioned was called Blink and I thought was very good. Well off to go see about getting a replacement phone as when I opened my cell today the screen was cracked.
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Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 6:49 am
Just thinking about... Numerology, arithmancy, whatever you call it, a mathematical kind of divination from birth dates to names to names of places, etc. People use it to understand other people or to put into perspective of themsevles. Some use it to see into the future, the present, and the past, it was good, they have been through a rough time, next year after this date they will start anew, etc. Kinda deterministic stuff, almost like fate, that our date of birth or our names have hidden meanings that take us down the path based on that info.... ... I think that's just bias >:" 0 rofl, sorry, touchy moment thar. I was just thinking that, if in the beginnining of all things that if you believed in the numbers, they have had determined ones life, or at least influenced it as a 'child' and pretty much can screw or better life depending on said numbers. that's like saying, you where born in the year of the tiger, thus you will be viscious and maw people in your way with blood and glory. I've had my own "numbers" read, it's pretty, scarily close, though i'm not sure if it's just the person knowing me from the past few weeks, but still. I feel like that the numbes don't so much as affect you when you're older with a 'developed independent mind' as much as it affects you as a child, the numbers are your dice and tilt the chances and direct how people acted around you when you where young and 'vulerable', the monkey see monkey do, for because our mind might not be 'developed' we are influenced and characterized by the numbers, and characterize others with them by their own numbers, tugged along like 'fate' in a pattern. Since our childhood determines who we are in the future, it all needs to start there to move on. I believe in change and the 'individual', but to think that these numbers might as well have... ruined is a wrong word... something~ed my life, is... just, ack, can't wrap my mind around it, tis night so i'll just leave it off there x' D probably didn't make any sense, since this is a fresh topic in my own little mind, and it's night... and a school night at that... and my brain feels emptied and this page feels liked stuffed turkey on the run! heh, i'll probably die tomorrow reading this... The door of the unconscious cracked open into dreamlessness idiocy~
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:48 pm
well, i am actually a real fan pf Astrology, Astronomy and Numorology. i don't feel that the numbers or the planets are like... keys to determining whoyou are. you hav eto look at it outside of yourself, in a sort of third-person angle. you see, it's more about your postion in space and time, relative to everything else. all things are energy, including movement and thoughts and even time. these proto-sciences of Astrology and Numorology are more like measurements of these factors, whch determine the effects of energies to your person. it has nothing to do with your destiny, just bits of personality...
but reading on my own thread here, the things said, makes me wonder if it can be as accurate as i have always found it to b. because that would indicate that when and where we are birthed, and the phonetic sounds voiced to give us identity, are definite factors in our identity and personality, our ego as it were, and so therefore are indicators of definite identity.
this being said, that brings them right into the discussion. because the very thing i am questioning is whether we have definate ideintity, or subjective identity. which is it!? gonk
anywho, finally atched some Dr. Who. i find it awesome. xd
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Chieftain Twilight Captain
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