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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:24 pm
Well, it has.
Has anyone else played this awesome (and infuriating) game? Did you like it? What's your interpretation of the overtly religious themes? Who's your favorite/least favorite character?
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:25 pm
DaikonNairu -Ren- Well, it has.
Has anyone else played this awesome (and infuriating) game? Did you like it? What's your interpretation of the overtly religious themes? Who's your favorite/least favorite character? Haven't played it but I have played it's sequel Tales of the Abyss. The religious themes can be attributed to the exoticiness of Abrahamic religions to the East. Much like how over in the States, Buddhism and Hinduism are treated as exotic, Christianity and Western culture is treated as very exotic over in the East. Hell I mean the gothic lolita was heavily inspired off the Victorian period. The mysterious Wolfwood in Trigun is a traveling preacher. Evangelion anyone? So my theory is that the overt religious themes is probably from an artistic and an "oh look something new I've never seen before" view more than anything.
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:34 pm
rmcdra The religious themes can be attributed to the exoticiness of Abrahamic religions to the East. Much like how over in the States, Buddhism and Hinduism are treated as exotic, Christianity and Western culture is treated as very exotic over in the East. Hell I mean the gothic lolita was heavily inspired off the Victorian period. The mysterious Wolfwood in Trigun is a traveling preacher. Evangelion anyone? So my theory is that the overt religious themes is probably from an artistic and an "oh look something new I've never seen before" view more than anything. I agree, and that's what I think of most anime (and games) that have very western religious overtones. Here's a question though, one can't help but notice that in all these interpretations of the Abramatic faiths God and/or the Angels are always painted as the villains. Does the Abramatic god really give off such a villainous impression?
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:47 pm
DaikonNairu -Ren- rmcdra The religious themes can be attributed to the exoticiness of Abrahamic religions to the East. Much like how over in the States, Buddhism and Hinduism are treated as exotic, Christianity and Western culture is treated as very exotic over in the East. Hell I mean the gothic lolita was heavily inspired off the Victorian period. The mysterious Wolfwood in Trigun is a traveling preacher. Evangelion anyone? So my theory is that the overt religious themes is probably from an artistic and an "oh look something new I've never seen before" view more than anything. I agree, and that's what I think of most anime (and games) that have very western religious overtones. Here's a question though, one can't help but notice that in all these interpretations of the Abramatic faiths God and/or the Angels are always painted as the villains. Does the Abramatic god really give off such a villainous impression? ... Think about Japanese history for a moment and the connections of the West to Christianity and the West's relations with Japan. I will also mention that there are purification rituals that are done in Shinto temples specifically because a Westerner set foot inside. Another more positive-minded theory is that they are picking up on the subtle Gnostic themes preserved in Christianity razz
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:50 pm
So, what you're saying is that its not the religion they find to be villainous but the people whom practice it.
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:55 pm
DaikonNairu -Ren- So, what you're saying is that its not the religion they find to be villainous but the people whom practice it. Probably so. I mean what did the Europeans do when they first came to Japan and what religion did they claim to be? Also I would think our little atomic bombings would still be a sore subject. Christianity and Western Culture have very close ties and for outsiders it can be very hard to distinguish the two.
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:57 pm
All your points are valid and I don't disagree with any of them. But I think we're straying from the original topic... I posted this in the Spa sub-Forum for some light conversation and this is a bit heavy.
So, since you haven't played Symphonia, who was your favorite character in Abyss?
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:02 pm
DaikonNairu -Ren- All your points are valid and I don't disagree with any of them. But I think we're straying from the original topic... I posted this in the Spa sub-Forum for some light conversation and this is a bit heavy. So, since you haven't played Symphonia, who was your favorite character in Abyss? Oh lol sorry I didn't realize that. Anyway, I didn't get to play too far into it because my fiancee has issues with me beating games she wants to play before she does so at what point I left off at I'd say Tear is my favorite. Luke is too whiny and spoiled for my liking.
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:06 pm
I have noticed that characters from these games have the annoying habit of being whiny. I absolutely hate Collette and I find myself disliking Lloyd allot whenever there's a cutscene between him and Collette.
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 6:24 am
Oooh! I love Tales of Symphonia! biggrin
I see the religious themes from a different perspective. In Japan, I think there is a bit of a conflict between the overwhelming cultural pressure to fit in and be the same as everyone else... but at the same time, I think a lot of people (especially young people) want to rebel against the status quo, but are afraid to. I think part of the reason for the God/Angels being painted as the villains has to do with fighting against the establishment and showing that the establishment isn't always right.
sweatdrop I actually love Collette. I think it's because I really love sweet girls that are just trying to do right by everyone else. But I also loved Zelos because his narcissism cracked me up ("Not in the face!! Watch the hair!") I always felt bad for Presea.
I found Sheena a bit annoying. She was so hard to please. stressed
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:21 am
Ivy Lana Lee I see the religious themes from a different perspective. In Japan, I think there is a bit of a conflict between the overwhelming cultural pressure to fit in and be the same as everyone else... but at the same time, I think a lot of people (especially young people) want to rebel against the status quo, but are afraid to. I think part of the reason for the God/Angels being painted as the villains has to do with fighting against the establishment and showing that the establishment isn't always right. But that could have been easily expressed without the overt parodies of and references to common elements among the Abramatic religions. The anime Gurren-Lagann is all about fighting against the establishment and what have you and you won't find such blatantly religious themes and allusions in that. As to the Collette thing. Yeah, she a nice and kind girl who just wants to help everyone, but that's all she is. She doesn't have any character traits beyond that. She's very 2 dimensional while the other characters seem closer to being well rounded (except for Kratos, he's just another angsty git that fan girls -and me- love for no reason). As for Sheena specifically, its not that she's hard to please, its that she's afraid of getting emotionally close to people.
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:37 am
I absolutly love ToS! I actually find the religious perceptives in the game to be intertaining and perhaps slightly true. Who knows if the catholic faith is entirely corrupt (cardnials and such...)? It was untill lately.
My favorite character is (of course) Lloyd Irving/ Sheena Fujibayashi (is the last name spelt right?)
My most hated character/s are Presia/ Regal.
(No bashing on my views on the Catholic church; I'm catholic heart )
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:42 am
@ Mero: A one who is Catholic, I'm interested in you opinions on what you think of the "Chosen(s)" acting as Jesus Christs, as saviors that must sacrifice their lives to save the world? What do you think the story writers are trying to say when we find out the true nature of the Chosen?
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:19 am
I think the saying "Things arn't always what they seem" will be best applied here. If we place Collete as Jesus I believe the writers are implying that prehaps Jesus wasn't intirely for his goal, saving us from our sins and opening the way to heaven. Prehaps they're saying that we are fooling ourselfs into believeing in something that could be fake...
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 4:54 pm
I started this thread to be light and fun, but it keep becoming heavy and interesting...
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