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 Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 12:18 am
Basically, everyone, no matter who you are or what you intend to do, will be training as a marksmen. Whether or not you are even going to be using a weapon is irrelevant- this will test your fundamental understanding of roleplay, things of military nature, and weaponry in general. If you do not understand these things, this group aims to teach you them; and if you do, it aims to test you and refine you on specific rules sets to this guild. A lack of details and area of testing it obviously apparent; this over-all, makes it a load easier. I suggest you read the article that the link presents you to. As well, you need to have passed basic training and have been accepted into Infantry Before you'll be allowed engage in training. Marksmen Training 1. _Eurydora_ 2. 3. 4. 5.
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Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:53 am
Name: Directly Anonymous
Rank: Blackwater
Location: Marksmen Training camp
Objective: Instructor
"Everything is nice and dandy. Now, I'd like all of you to form a nice orderly line, in no particular order. Also, you are all marines now. You will refer to yourself no longer as "I" and instead as 'this soldier'. You will refer to me as 'this soldier's commanding officer'. When speaking towards me, you may approach me as 'commanding officer'. Thank you.
The first thing you've got to remember when becoming a marksmen however, is your weapon. The only reason you can be a marksmen is becuase of your gun; and being a marksmen with another gun can be difficult when your only adept in one kind of gun; especially when you delineate from your standard style of weaponry: assault rifle to pistol, sniper rifle to assault rifle, the like. So recruits, your job is squad support. What weapon do you choose?"
The Drill instructor paced back and forwarth, awaiting the actions and responses of each of the recruits.
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 5:43 pm
Name: Tai
Rank: Recruit
Location: Marksmen Training camp
Objective: Passing Marksman Training
Tai wordlessly took his place in the line of recruits, listening as the drill instructor made his speech. Once he was done talking, Tai took a moment to formulate the statement that he would give. He chose his words carefully, though he did not care for the contradicting sarcasm that men such as the one in front of him used to confuse freshly enlisted individuals. Despite that he eagerly wished to inform this man to whom he was speaking and urge him to get to the point, he knew that his rank in the Worker's Party held little weight at the moment and such an attempt would only cause him to be subject to even more irritating speeches.
"This soldier's commanding officer is ver vague in his choice of words, as squad support can mean anything. Does this soldier's commanding officer mean to ask which weapon this soldier would use to support the entire team or the weapon that would be used to complete one part of this task, leaving the others in the squad to choose the appropriate weapons to compliment that choice?"
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 7:21 pm
Name: Directly Anonymous
Rank: Blackwater
Location: Marksmen Training camp
Objective: Instructor
The Drill Instructor Raised an eyebrow at this response."Well, it was to my understanding that there were clear and defined definitions for such positions- previously determined, of course. Like most words and phrases.
However, seeing as how you lack the understanding of such a text, I shall describe it for you. I would like you to pick a weapon you find reasonable and applicable for a Squad Designated Marksmen position. Essentially, you are a Marksmen who is being attached to a squad for their support. You job is to extend the range of the squad, provide suppressive fire, and to accurately engage multiple hostile targets at a further range than a regular rifleman or marksmen.
Choosing your weapon is absolutely crucial. There could be no Airforce without Airplanes- or Bombers, or Fighters, or Attack planes. There could be no Navy without Boats- or Battleships, or Submarines, or Aircraft Carriers. There could be no mechanized forces without ground based Vehicles- or Tanks, or Jeeps, or APC's. There could be no marksmen without small arms weapons; choosing the proper weapon carries exactly the same importance and magnitude as choosing the proper vehicle for the particular situation.
Meaning that, matching the proper weapon with your given situation is just as important as choosing the proper submarine for a cover marine operation.
So, for Squad Based Duties, and for applying Squad Support Techniques, what weapon do you choose? "
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 9:13 am
Name: Tai
Rank: Recruit
Location: Marksmen Training camp
Objective: Passing Marksman Training
Tai crossed his arms over his chest as he pondered the newly clarified question. His mind searched over every weapon he had ever seen, bringing up images, names, and information almost as a computer would. The gears that were his thoughts had begun to spin much faster as he found the ideal weapon.
"As a squad designated marksman, this soldier would choose the AN-94 assault rifle, most likely equiped with a 4x scope," he said flatly, showing no attitude whatsoever to betray his thoughts, his face a mask of calm, despite how he resented having to repeat training for a mission he had no wish to participate in.
Having given his answer, Tai waited for the drill instructor to respond. He hoped that he would soon not have to hear any more from one of such a position again after he made it through marksman training. He told himself that all of his irritation was for the good of the Worker's Party and that it would all be worth it if he simply kept his head down and didn't say anything stupid.
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:46 pm
Name: Directly Anonymous
Rank: Blackwater
Location: Marksmen Training camp
Objective: Instructor
Directly lowered his eyebrow,and then raised his other.
"I see. Very interesting. Ehh... So why exactly would you choose the AN-94?"
The Drill instructor paused for a moment, and then resumed pacing back and forwarth, awaiting the actions and responses of each of the recruits.
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Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 9:12 am
Name: Tai
Rank: Recruit
Location: Marksmen Training camp
Objective: Passing Marksman Training
As soon as the drill instructor began to inquire as to why he had chosen that gun of all possible, Tai was ready to answer.
"This soldier chose the AN-94 for its accuracy as a semi-automatic weapon, which can be easily fixed to fire two-shot bursts, as well as the fact that it was chosen as the latest upgrade to the AKM and thus features similar reliability due to the loose tolerances of its internal structure."
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 1:03 pm
Name: Directly Anonymous
Rank: Blackwater
Location: Marksmen Training camp
Objective: InstructorThe Drill instructor pondered the assessment of the soldier."Very interesting. It's a nice choice indeed. Reliable, versatile, available. It's a weapon that includes a lot of design features based off of studies completed by both NATO and Russian Forces. It's essentially a very well designed weapon that merges both Soviet, NATO, and United States ideologies.
It can be a fairly accurate weapon- what with the burst ability and whatnot removing residual recoil- but, there is one problem I see with the weapon.
It's a matter of range. The weapon is intended to be both a close quarters and medium range combat weapon, as an assault rifle, but it doesn't seem to be much in the order of long range combat. This is most likely be attributed to the fact that it uses 5.45mm x 39mm rounds, or extremely small, lightweight rounds fired at a high velocity. With ,low mass, the round carries low inertia, causing the round to lose momentum faster, and essentially become drastically weaker and destabilize in flight at far ranges. In terms of velocity, the round has a very high velocity, and drag, or air resistance, is directly correlated with velocity. The higher the velocity of an object, the more drag it encounters. A round having both low inertia and high velocity encounters an exponential loss in velocity when traveling through a fluid, as the lower the mass the faster the object loses it's energy, and higher the velocity the faster the object loses it's energy.
The round is essentially maximized for close quarters operations, although it will inherently suffer accuracy and range problems. A decent weapon, but for this particular circumstance, it can only loosely be relied on as a Marksmen weapon. Part of being a marksmen is delivering multiple accurate rounds downrange and extending the range of the squad- while a fully capable weapon, becuase of it's diminished accuracy and power at farther ranges, it would not make for an ideal weapon.
If you had to pick another weapon, which weapon would you choose?"The Drill instructor paced back and forwarth, paused for a moment, and then awaited the response of the recruit.
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 2:46 pm
Name: Tai
Rank: Recruit
Location: Marksmen Training camp
Objective: Passing Marksman Training
Tai nodded as the drill instructor spoke. He did his homework, that much was for sure. However, despite the validity of his statements, especially when mentioning the need to fire at targets from long rang, he hadn't seemed to understand the reasoning for his choice.
"Against conventional armies, yes, the AN-94 would be limited. However, considering the massive rise in the use of guerilla warfare, such a weapon would excell, as this type of warfare is generally fought in urban areas. However, if this soldier's commanding officer would insist on a long-ranged weapon, then this soldier would suggest using the L1A1 Self Loading Rifle."
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 3:54 pm
((I accidentally went too long into this gigantic speech about NATO. O_o
So instead I'm going to post a more to the point message. xp ))
Name: Directly Anonymous
Rank: Blackwater
Location: Marksmen Training camp
Objective: Instructor
The Drill instructor pondered the assessment of the soldier.
"Well, the issue of range isn't necessarily the only problem. The problem with most modern 'intermediate' rounds is a lack of power and accuracy.
Most modern warfare is being fought in Guerrilla and urban style combat situations. What they've found in these type of situations, however, especially in urban conflicts, is that power of the rounds is crucial. Heavy, accurate rounds that can tear through several layers of concrete, cars, and bricks are ideal. The problem with intermediate rounds specifically designed to pierce body armor is that their too underpowered. These rounds are designed to simply be strong enough to preform their specific duty and do nothing else, as to save on weight and size. However, what's needed in densely covered terrains are rounds that are overpowered. Creating a round that can pierce 3mm of steel isn't good enough- the round needs to be able to pierce 3mm of steel and kill the person behind it in a single shot. The design of the round is crucial in this aspect, as to allow a round which is hard enough to pierce hard objects but soft enough to expand in soft tissue. However, the design of the round can only go so far. .22 rounds are great, but raw power can often defeat the dilemma associated with design flaws. Rounds which are designed to work every time, provided that they are always at 100%, will always fail. Nothing can ever be 100%, as their are too many variables and too many problems associated with everything in life, especially guns.
What a person needs is a weapon that will provide then more than what they require, so that when the situation comes they can be better than 100% and accurately ensure themselves the capability of achieving that particular objective. As such, rounds that are designed to work perfectly and most efficiently in a laboratory most often do not in the field. Special consideration needs to be applied to the concept of variability, which is easily beaten. Enough raw power can over-come most obstacles, and if this is balanced correctly, then a person can easily achieve their objective. The point of balancing something correctly, in order to win efficiently, is to unbalance the situation. All is fair in love and war- and you should never try to walk into a fair fight.
While your assessment is correct in the terms of range, raw power is also something to consider. One shot, one kill. If the person lives for 10 minutes and can fight again or is simply wounded, then the objective of shooting is irrelevant. The reality is that, often times, range and power are directly associated.
The FN Fal is a pretty decent weapon though.
The Drill instructor raised an eyebrow, lowered it, raise it again, and then scratched his head.
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 4:40 pm
Name: Tai
Rank: Recruit
Location: Marksmen Training camp
Objective: Passing Marksman Training
Tai frowned at the response he recieved from the drill instructor. What was this fool talking about? Had he not just asked Tai, of all people, which weapon he would choose as a marksman tool? Now he was tearing down his choice. Was this man insane or just thick?
He did his best to remind himself that he was not in the Worker's Party at the moment when he gave his answer.
"Did this soldier's commanding officer ask for a marksman tool or a .50 caliber machinegun? It is useless and impractical to use heavy rounds in a close-quarters situation. Weapons are specialized for a reason. The AK-47 was replaced by the AK-74 because it's larger rounds simply passed through targets, doing minimal damage, while the 5.56 arced when it hit an enemy, ensuring that they did not survive. Has the question changed? Is it no longer 'which weapon would you use as a designated marksman?'"
Tai's face showed his annoyance with the ceaseless questions he was recieving. When was this going to progress? He was generally not an eager person, but he felt anxious to not be talked at, rather than to, but this man who, to him at least, was quickly beginning to resemble an ape.
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 6:44 pm
((lol, don't think of it as me tearing you down.
I will never dismiss your idea without a reason, and I aim to never dismiss your idea without telling you why. xp ))
Name: Directly Anonymous
Rank: Blackwater
Location: Marksmen Training camp
Objective: Instructor
The Drill instructor laughed
"The problem isn't in your idea it's in your reasoning.
You speak of how larger, more powerful rounds simply pass through the body and do less damage- but yet the .223 round is notorious for over penetration. You speak of how it is impractical to use heavy rounds in close quarters combat- but all pistol rounds are heavy rounds- very heavy, very slow moving rounds. A 'large' rifle round is roughly over 10 grams, however this is the typical weight of pistol rounds. Sub-machine guns and pistols are ideal for close quarters combat, not a .223 or a 5.45 or a .22.
.223 rounds are horrendous for killing people, and these type of rounds tend to pass straight through humans. Your job isn't to cut holes in people, it's to kill them. And a much weaker, less accurate round is obviously not ideal for that particular job.
But I can see that you have your mind set on a particular type of weapon. And I can also see that you don't understand the point of me pointing out the seemingly obvious.
So let's let the battle begin! "
The Drill instructor remained motionless.
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:39 pm
Name: Tai
Rank: Recruit
Location: Marksmen Training camp
Objective: Passing Marksman Training
Upon seeing his drill instructor's failure to catch his mistake, purposefully laid to test his wit, Tai adopted a condescending smirk. The man in front of him was preparing for a test to show his superiority, which was un-neccessary, as he was clearly the better shot and Tai would not dispute that, but he failed to see how he had been fooled.
"Who said anything about a .223?" He began, again straightening his posture to give more of a sting to the coming words, "I, and yes I did just say I, not 'this solder', was talking about the over penetration of the 7.62x54mm round as opposed to the smaller 5.56 to demonstrate that a higher round is not always neccessary. If those rounds that are used to punch through three inches of steel and kill the man behind it were to be used practically then they would rarely be used at all. Very few times does a person know where behind a piece of cover an enemy is, if they know that they are there at all. So those rounds would be saved for an enemy that could be seen. Now if the round in question were armor piercing, then it would go through that target and keep going to quite a while. You are a careful army, are you not? I imagine you'd want to minimize civilian casualties, yet you would use such over-powered rounds. If punch is all that matters to you, then why not skip infantry all together and just nuke everything?"
"I'll tell you why, because, for one, the Geneva Convention prohibits the use of nuclear weapons. And the second reason? Because it isn't about power. The Japanese were mostly right during WWII. It is about the soldier behind the weapon. If you gave a Spetsnaz soldier anything short of a first generation M16 with a bent firing pin, do you think he would have any problem killing everything in sight? No, I think not. Why? Because as long as the weapon is...decent, as you put it, the soldier is all that matters."
He paused for a moment, studying the drill instructor. He wanted to see exactly how he would react, but first, he had more to say.
"However, that is not the biggest point I am trying to make. My reason for speaking to you so bluntly and out of line is this: for one so sharp, you missed that I misnamed the round that the AK-74 uses. I said it was the 5.56, but we all know it sports a 5.45. Now tell me, how exactly is it that you missed that?"
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:47 pm
Name: Directly Anonymous
Rank: Blackwater
Location: Marksmen Training camp
Objective: Instructor
The Drill instructor laughed again, except this time he luaghed louder than he did before.
"You did silly.
And, you forgot to refer to yourself as this soldier. Rookie mistakes, it's all a matter of discipline.
Now, I'm sure that we have your weapon in the armory. Of course, you'll be using simunition rounds, or paint. So uh, make sure to get it from the armory and all that. "
The Drill instructor laughed. The man who stood before him was a little insecure and too worried about invisible metaphorical concepts. It was funny to him that, the man's outburst contained the little things which meant nothing to himself.
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:09 pm
Name: Tai
Rank: Recruit
Location: Marksmen Training camp
Objective: Passing Marksman Training
Tai was taken aback by the lack of an outburst from the drill instructor. It did not escape his attention that the man had completely ignored the question presented, put words into his mouth, and chalked his intentional disregard for the set titles down to a minor lack of dicipline. However, these were not in the least what he was focused on the most.
Kindness of this sort was always present in either extremely unexperienced or extremely experienced soldiers, and the former were never appointed as drill instructors.
Civility and savageness were both traits that Tai was known for, and yet he had just made an a** out of himself from an error in tactics. How little this man must think of him, like a student testing a substitute teacher to find their limits. Unlike such children, though, he had the humility to admit that his calculations were, as they occasionally are, incorrect.
He was immediately wary of this man, knowing all too well that such a forgiving demeanor was often not to be trifled with, even by those like himself.
"Hmmm..." was his only response as he reassessed his situation and got back into line.
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