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 Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 5:08 pm
Does anyone here study it or practice it? Or somehow incorporate it in their daily life. I've started reading up not a few weeks ago and have already progressed a lot.
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:35 am
catastrofie Does anyone here study it or practice it? Or somehow incorporate it in their daily life. I've started reading up not a few weeks ago and have already progressed a lot. I'm almost afraid to ask what progress you have made in a few short weeks. From what I understand of Kaballah, it is so ginormously huge that if I spent the rest of my natural life in the study of Kaballah, I would have only scraped the surface of the vast knowledge. And yes, I try to study and practice it, but most people who write about the Kaballah, only gets close to the ethics and culture of the Jewish People, when they drive past a synagogue in their car. And the numerology aspect of Kaballah, is minuscule compared to the whole of understanding.
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:54 pm
LordNeuf catastrofie Does anyone here study it or practice it? Or somehow incorporate it in their daily life. I've started reading up not a few weeks ago and have already progressed a lot. I'm almost afraid to ask what progress you have made in a few short weeks. From what I understand of Kaballah, it is so ginormously huge that if I spent the rest of my natural life in the study of Kaballah, I would have only scraped the surface of the vast knowledge. And yes, I try to study and practice it, but most people who write about the Kaballah, only gets close to the ethics and culture of the Jewish People, when they drive past a synagogue in their car. And the numerology aspect of Kaballah, is minuscule compared to the whole of understanding. What do you mean your afraid to ask what progress i've made in a few short weeks? I could have traveled a lot further than you'd imagine. "You shall not wrong a stranger or oppress him, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt" (Exodus 22:18 )
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:01 pm
You cannot pick up a book and after a few weeks know what the wonders of the universe are.
That's like picking up an old cook book and claiming you have mastered haute cuisine.
You lack the knowledge of how big the topic of Kaballah is, the fact you say "I know a lot only after a few weeks" shows your lack of scope.
And since you're big on quotations...
And because this circle and this square are My Shabbatot, they are both included in the word Keep, as it is written, "You shall keep my Shabbatot." But the upper Shabbat is not included in Shamor, but only in Zachor. Remember that the supernal King, WHO IS BINAH, is completed by Zachor. And this is why it, BINAH, is called the "King to whom Peace belongs." As His Peace, Shalom, is Zachor. And so there is no controversy above in the supernal realm. ~ Zohar, Vol 1. Section 12. Part 83
See what I'm getting at?
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:11 pm
Yea but I didn't mean to say I COMPLETELY and utterly understand everything their is to know about kabbalah, nor do I have the intention to ever do so. I mean to say I have a basic if not aware understanding of what its about, and how to incorporate it into my life- the matter of creation. I don't want to know the "wonders" of the universe, because I know that my mind wouldn't be able to comprehend it at this early of a stage. I do however "know" what my book has to offer.
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:14 pm
catastrofie Yea but I didn't mean to say I COMPLETELY and utterly understand everything their is to know about kabbalah, nor do I have the intention to ever do so. I mean to say I have a basic if not aware understanding of what its about, and how to incorporate it into my life- the matter of creation. I don't want to know the "wonders" of the universe, because I know that my mind wouldn't be able to comprehend it at this early of a stage. I do however "know" what my book has to offer. What book do you have? Btw sorry if I came off a little harsh or arrogant, It's been a rough couple of days at Chateau Neuf.
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:17 pm
LordNeuf catastrofie Yea but I didn't mean to say I COMPLETELY and utterly understand everything their is to know about kabbalah, nor do I have the intention to ever do so. I mean to say I have a basic if not aware understanding of what its about, and how to incorporate it into my life- the matter of creation. I don't want to know the "wonders" of the universe, because I know that my mind wouldn't be able to comprehend it at this early of a stage. I do however "know" what my book has to offer. What book do you have? Btw sorry if I came off a little harsh or arrogant, It's been a rough couple of days at Chateau Neuf. A Rav P. S Berg. And the Sefer Yetzirah.
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:25 pm
catastrofie LordNeuf catastrofie Yea but I didn't mean to say I COMPLETELY and utterly understand everything their is to know about kabbalah, nor do I have the intention to ever do so. I mean to say I have a basic if not aware understanding of what its about, and how to incorporate it into my life- the matter of creation. I don't want to know the "wonders" of the universe, because I know that my mind wouldn't be able to comprehend it at this early of a stage. I do however "know" what my book has to offer. What book do you have? Btw sorry if I came off a little harsh or arrogant, It's been a rough couple of days at Chateau Neuf. A Rav P. S Berg. And the Sefer Yetzirah. Rav Berg does good work, but Wescott is to much of a Zoarastrian Occultist.
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:28 pm
LordNeuf catastrofie LordNeuf catastrofie Yea but I didn't mean to say I COMPLETELY and utterly understand everything their is to know about kabbalah, nor do I have the intention to ever do so. I mean to say I have a basic if not aware understanding of what its about, and how to incorporate it into my life- the matter of creation. I don't want to know the "wonders" of the universe, because I know that my mind wouldn't be able to comprehend it at this early of a stage. I do however "know" what my book has to offer. What book do you have? Btw sorry if I came off a little harsh or arrogant, It's been a rough couple of days at Chateau Neuf. A Rav P. S Berg. And the Sefer Yetzirah. Rav Berg does good work, but Wescott is to much of a Zoarastrian Occultist. Wescott is the golden dawn though isn't it? I'm not interested in that form of kabbalah, or quabala at that.
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:38 pm
catastrofie LordNeuf catastrofie LordNeuf catastrofie Yea but I didn't mean to say I COMPLETELY and utterly understand everything their is to know about kabbalah, nor do I have the intention to ever do so. I mean to say I have a basic if not aware understanding of what its about, and how to incorporate it into my life- the matter of creation. I don't want to know the "wonders" of the universe, because I know that my mind wouldn't be able to comprehend it at this early of a stage. I do however "know" what my book has to offer. What book do you have? Btw sorry if I came off a little harsh or arrogant, It's been a rough couple of days at Chateau Neuf. A Rav P. S Berg. And the Sefer Yetzirah. Rav Berg does good work, but Wescott is to much of a Zoarastrian Occultist. Wescott is the golden dawn though isn't it? I'm not interested in that form of kabbalah, or quabala at that. Wescott translated the short version Sefer Yetzirah in 1887, it's been used for the basis of interpretive Kaballah ever since. Hense that bit about people getting close to Jewish Culture by driving by a Synagogue very fast
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:26 am
People begin learning Torah and Tanakh practically from birth, but at the age of three they begin intensive study (ideally).
As they get older, usually around the age of bar mitzvah, they begin learning Talmud as well.
No earlier than the age of forty, and only if one embodies the traits of knowledge, observance, and devotion to the ultimate level attainable by themselves as a frail human being, would the individual possibly be approached by a master of kabalah (if there is any in their vicinity to notice the person at all, which is rare enough) and offered the opportunity to study.
If you can go out and buy a printed book, it's not proper kabalah. Proper kabalah is taught from hand-scribed books and also largely by oral education rather than written.
If it's being offered in a public facility and/or in a class situation, it's not proper kabalah. Proper kabalah is taught one on one, from advanced master to mature man.
If you can understand anything about it without having first mastered Tanakh and Talmud, it's not proper kabalah. It's just not.
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 10:50 pm
Divash People begin learning Torah and Tanakh practically from birth, but at the age of three they begin intensive study (ideally). As they get older, usually around the age of bar mitzvah, they begin learning Talmud as well. No earlier than the age of forty, and only if one embodies the traits of knowledge, observance, and devotion to the ultimate level attainable by themselves as a frail human being, would the individual possibly be approached by a master of kabalah (if there is any in their vicinity to notice the person at all, which is rare enough) and offered the opportunity to study. If you can go out and buy a printed book, it's not proper kabalah. Proper kabalah is taught from hand-scribed books and also largely by oral education rather than written. If it's being offered in a public facility and/or in a class situation, it's not proper kabalah. Proper kabalah is taught one on one, from advanced master to mature man. If you can understand anything about it without having first mastered Tanakh and Talmud, it's not proper kabalah. It's just not. Yes, I agree. This, however, what your explaining is the hardcore orthodox jewish kabbalah. Now, in 2010, people from all around the world with no jewish connections or any knowledge of the Tanakh or Talmud claim themselves to practice kabbalah. It's how the world is going, it only moves forward. As I agree that the only REAL way you can learn it is to master these things, it's out of the picture, on the laziness of today. People just find short cuts and think they know what they're talking about, but thats just to say everyone has their own opinion. It's commercialized now, it's something it should of never made it to.
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:26 am
Hehe. A few years ago, I would have been the one posting this topic.
If I remember correctly, I did post something about Kabbalah. It's just one of those subjects that's hyped up as the supreme occult/lifestyle/wtfever thing by the masses. And then someone with even a basic level of wit picks up one of the books printed by those same masses and realizes that the concepts within it aren't hard to grasp at all. And thus is an ego born out of ignorance. =P
Kabbalah is just one of those things that no one in this guild will ever know in its proper form. Don't let that get ya down, though. Take some ideas from your Kabbalah book. Take some ideas from other books, too. Take 'em, mix 'em up, and turn them into a decent thing. wink
And just remember, you never know as much as you think you do.
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