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Wyvern683
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:17 pm


Is there a character you think is awesome, but never gets the credit they deserve? Do you cry yourself to sleep every night because of it?(just kidding)

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:53 pm


Maxwell and Zorin

(All of this is MY opinion. I'm not forcing my ideals on you...just explaining why I think these two need more love. :] )

=o=' Both need more love. Zorin, even though she killed Pip and had a very cruel personality, is in my opinion a great character. She's not anymore cruel than Alucard, who killed Rip in the most horrid way possible, so I can't quite understand why she's hated so much.

Maxwell...heck, there are a lot of people that hate him because he's a religious radical. I'm not justifying everything he did in the series, as even I found fault in him, but one thing about Maxwell is he is very immature. He's very much like a child.

You give him an inch, he'll take a mile. He'll cry to his parent when he stumbles and falls, expecting to be picked back up again. He very much lives in a fantasy world where everything goes HIS way and no one elses. Why? Based on the limited childhood that was revealed about him, he grew up alone with no one to tell him he was right or wrong. He had no shoulder to cry on, no one with whom he could discuss his ideals. He was incredibly smart though. (Seminaries for priests are some of the toughest schools out there. The fact Maxwell passed this rigorous school, gained favor with the Pope, and was promoted to Archbishop levels shortly after being promoted to Bishop shows this.)

Being a dork I am, I started a psycological profile on Maxwell, and this is some of what I collected. After reviewing this, I can't see why people hate him so much...the guy had a lonely childhood and deserves sympathy not hatred.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:02 pm


pip didnt get enough time he died way to fast :C
PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:36 pm


I never thought of the Zorin thing like that before. I guess you're right, all though I don't particularly like Zorin. And it makes no sense for everyone to despise Zorin who, yes, did some terrible things, and (Please note that I am in no way at all insulting fans by saying this) absolutely adore characters like Dark Walter, who BETRAYS EVERYONE and does some pretty wicked things himself(again, not trying to offend people, this is just my opinion).

Wyvern683
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:18 pm


-nods- I agree.
I've found a lot of people hold Zorin's appearance over her though. They justify Dark Walter's and Alucard's actions as permissible because they are both wildly attractive. (Some anti-Maxwell fans do the same with him, I've noticed.)
PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:43 pm


Pip the guy was awsome but the zorin thing i really hate her for killing him but i wonder what her story is like the tattoes on her whered those come form

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Wyvern683
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 2:56 pm


That is a good question. Y'know, she might be one of those people that has a tattoo addiction. . . eek
PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 3:00 pm


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-nods- I agree.
I've found a lot of people hold Zorin's appearance over her though. They justify Dark Walter's and Alucard's actions as permissible because they are both wildly attractive. (Some anti-Maxwell fans do the same with him, I've noticed.)


I know! Some people like characters of anything solely for the smexyness. I admit, there is one particular character that I think is. . .kinda cute. . . ninja . . .but that isn't the only reason I like him. Personality draws me to characters more, personally.

Wyvern683
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 9:20 pm


I gotta say Dok. Sure, he's weird as hell, but no one ever talks about him. XD
PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 9:40 pm


mybe but wat about the other side of her body and illusion

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 7:36 pm


Rip Van Winkle! She's crazy but she is so cool. I wished she was around longer before she died. Plus she is like, the only true female of Milennium (Sorry, Zorin is too... eep. I couldn't tell if she was male or female the first time I read the manga XD).
PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 10:01 pm


Zorin is most certainly the most underappreciated character in Hellsing.

Zorin is also a pop culture reference. She's the stereotypical sexually aggressive lesbian Nazi. Her sexual preference, heavily implied even visually, is made explicit in the good old BoH scanslations. In Volume 7, when Pip slaps her with the butt of his rifle, he tells it like it is, calling her taureau gouine, which is French for "bull dyke" (unfortunately, the Dark Horse version waters it down to "hag"). Her sexual aggressiveness is made evident in the way that she's always walking around with her trousers undone. Zorin is also the most foul-mouthed character in Hellsing. Again, this is made explicit in the good old BoH scanslations (the Dark Horse version pretties up her language).

Although it was unusual, a few such women did get into the Nazi movement here and there, though they certainly weren't welcome and were liable to be thrown out if detected. Some female camp guards (such as Irma Grese) were known to sexually abuse female prisoners (of course, there were far fewer women like that than popular culture suggests). Zorin was probably one of those women who were just too talented to be ignored by the regime (like Hanna Reitsch and Leni Riefenstahl). In spite of her "anti-social" behavior, Zorin is too big, too strong, and too badass to ignore. She has the perfect Nazi mentality, too.

From what we know about the Major, we can safely assume that he is always willing to look outside strict party rules and regulations to find the personnel he needs. With an order from his Füher backing him, he could almost always get away with it.

Zorin is probably from Eastern Germany (Prussia, Pomerania, and so on). Her weapon, the scythe, indicates that she may have been, originally, a farm girl. Such scythes are good for harvesting grain crops like wheat, and Eastern Germany is the biggest wheat farming region in the country. The whole Nazi "blood-and-soil" thing was very popular out there. Zorin is Brünhilde, the strong, earthy peasant woman type, the kind who could have been a warrior's wife in ancient Germany (Walter Darre would have loved her).

Her name also hints at her origin. "Zorin" comes from the old Teutonic name "Soren," which means "stern." Zorin is the Slavic spelling of that name. There was some ethnic mixing in Eastern Germany, and you did get plenty of Germans with Slavic names. However, Soren/Zorin is a male name. So Zorin is a girl with a guy's name hung around her neck (and spelled in the Slavic style to boot). I would guess that her dad either wanted a son or that he didn't like the daughter he got. Maybe he just wanted to make her tough (which she obviously is). In any case, it's all a part of the gender-bending theme that prevails among many of Hirano's female characters.

It's also likely that Zorin came from the lower levels of society, possibly the peasantry.

Zorin probably got off the farm as soon as she could. Her cynicism and gleeful degeneracy are very urban. She probably ran off to Berlin and messed around. She has a strong sense of the late-Weimar cabaret-style decadence about her. She's probably older than Rip. She may be just old enough to have brawled beside the SA in the dying days of Weimar. That's certainly the type of Nazi she is, an Altekampfer who learnt her ideology in the streets, who relishes fighting, drinking, and screwing. If she was male, she'd have been one of Ernst Roehm's best buddies. Like many such Nazis, Zorin might very well have a criminal record.

She probably got a lot more combat experience than Rip did in the big war (which may explain where she was during The Dawn). She's definitely a far better combat leader than Rip is. She reacts quickly to changing tactical situations and she keeps her unit's morale high. Her bid to take the Hellsing Mansion only fails by an eyelash. The Major simply needs someone to blame when a part of his plan goes wrong, and he chose Zorin as his scapegoat (Hitler did the same sort of thing).

Zorin is one of the Major's top people. She seems to be in charge of the Werwolf group at Jaburo when the Major's away, and she is their spokesman to the generals.

Zorin's much brighter than most people tend to think. She has the street smarts that Rip lacks. The runes tattooed all over her body are said (in Norse mythology) to bestow knowledge and power, and Zorin has both. She knows the evil that lurks in people's hearts and she knows how to use it against them. She probably already had that talent before she got her magical abilities. She's a master manipulator.

In spite of appearances, Zorin is the least twisted, most direct member of Millennium; she's there for the simple, brutal fun of it.

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battosai matt

PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 10:33 pm


i could easily tell zorin was a woman because of the ahem....figure. and we really dont know shes a lesbain and what makes you think that like what sh was born into and all that
PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 10:41 pm


battosai matt
i could easily tell zorin was a woman because of the ahem....figure. and we really dont know shes a lesbain and what makes you think that like what sh was born into and all that


It's called "deductive reasoning". It involves drawing inferences based on either straightforward practical principles—which are the result of careful inductive study—or inference to the best explanation. It worked quite well for Sherlock Holmes, so I figured I'd give it a go. That being said, I could easily be wrong. The fact of the matter is, I'm not trying to establish a backstory for Zorin; I'm simply trying to get you to examine her character a little more closely.

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battosai matt

PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 10:45 pm


NoLifeKing66
battosai matt
i could easily tell zorin was a woman because of the ahem....figure. and we really dont know shes a lesbain and what makes you think that like what sh was born into and all that


It's called "deductive reasoning". It involves drawing inferences based on either straightforward practical principles—which are the result of careful inductive study—or inference to the best explanation. It worked quite well for Sherlock Holmes, so I figured I'd give it a go. That being said, I could easily be wrong. The fact of the matter is, I'm not trying to establish a backstory for Zorin; I'm simply trying to get you to examine her character a little more closely.
yes i understand that so have you tried shakeing someones hand and know what the do or did?
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