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 Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:22 am
As I was participating in a PM RP of YYH, (which I'm open to doing if anyone's interested [/advertisement]) I realized that in the Chapter Black Saga, during Yusuke's fight with Sensui, it was night-time in Human World, but when Sensui, Kuwabara, Kurama, and Hiei went through the Keikai Barrier (sp?) into Demon World, it was sunny, looking about...afternoonish, midday?
Perhaps this was just another color technique they used in the anime rather than in the manga, such as making Kurama's hair red to stand out. Similarly, the artist's of the anime could have made it daytime since this was the first time the viewers would be introduced to Makaii and they wanted to advertise the splendor and the geography. (Because, seriously, who WASN'T breathless during their first viewing of Demon World? Honestly, it still takes my breath away.) But, just like everyone does with the little quirks of the anime, let's roll with it.
So, time is different in Makaii than in Human World (is it annoying for me to always say Human World but switch off between Demon World and Makaii?). Why? We here often that Demon World is in another dimension than Human World, yes? What if Demon World is an alternate reality to Human World, which would explain why Netherworld had the same relationship to Demon World as Spirit World has to Human World. Scientifically, there are billions upon billions of alternate realities, so why not?
Even so, another idea that came to my mind is if the time of day is different, why can't other respect to time be different? Perhaps that's why demons live so long to humans, perhaps time passes quicker in Makaii.
Thoughts? Am I off my rocker? (my non-existent rocker?)
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Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 7:38 pm
I'd like to attempt to break it down into timeline form, if no one minds. The day that Kuwabara gets kidnapped is a long one, isn't it? If I'm not mistaken, episodes 78-93 or so all take place on that one day.
I specifically recall that the sun is setting as Hiei and Yusuke rejoin the group outside Demon's Door Cave. Therefore, it's probably between 5 and 8pm, depending on the time of year. The four boys head into the cave first, and it takes a few hours for them to get through, right? I can't remember the exact amount, but I'd guess it's around 2-3, maybe less. Then they have to go back and get the rest of the group and come back to the Goblin City gate, which might have taken perhaps eight hours total (margin of error: 685476 days.)
So it's probably around 3am (VERY rough estimate) when they actually get into Sensui's cave; I know that there was a time limit there, but my brain is on vacation and cannot be bothered with minor details like that. Assuming that they get into Makai a few hours (possibly two) after that, it might have been sunrise when they entered there.
That would possibly make me think that you're wrong, but it seemed to me that it was SUNSET in Makai (or was it just that the sky is always red there? I have these weird hang-ups about the Makai; in my fanfics, I ALWAYS describe the daytime sky as red and the moon as green at night. Why is this?)
Anyway, so yeah, there probably is a time difference. Oddly enough, that was used in borderline_mary's story Changing Death, so we're not the only ones to think of it. Makai is definitely a different dimension, but because I'm a veteran of astronomy/geology classes, I'm tempted to still think of it as taking place on a planet--perhaps one in a far off solar system. That would explain the different terrain, the magical inhabitants, and--as you're suggesting--the time difference.
If a planet is closer to the sun, assuming our laws apply to other solar systems, it will have shorter days and therefore shorter years, allowing inhabitants to technically "live longer." Or, Togashi-san made it up on a whim and never bothered to explain it all to anyone. biggrin
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:41 pm
(ATTEMPTING TO FILL IN BLANKS AND PROBABLY GOING TO FAIL)
It didn't occur to me that Kuwabara getting kidnapped takes place all in one day, but it very well might...Yes. You're right. The timeline for the day goes something like this.
1 ) We see Seaman and Kuwabara are awake after Kuwabara had beaten him and gained the Dimension Sword.
2 ) Seaman cries. Koenma comes. House scenes.
3 ) Sensui assaults.
4 ) Team split up.
5 ) Fighting fighting fighting, OMG! Kuwabara gets kidnapped.
6 ) Yusuke rides a bike.
7 ) Yusuke ambushed by Sniper.
8 ) Hiei saves Yusuke.
9 ) Yusuke and Hiei meet up with team. (Sun setting here as you noted.)
10 ) Yusuke, Kurama, Hiei, and Seaman go in cave. Contrary to your earlier point, it only takes them an hour to reach Game Master's territory. They head back and bring back another team. TWO to THREE HOURS. (Seaman said "If we proceed with caution, we should arrive to Itsuki in about two hours when they initially entered the cave. If they ran back to retrieve more members and ran inside the cave once more, that could cut some time.)
11 ) The games commence, timeline is iffy here, but from IRL experience, I'm going to assume that the matches lasted an hour at most.
12 ) Takes another hour to get to Sensui.
13) Sensui battle before Demon World takes a half an hour or so. (Remember, Sensui timed his movie to his fight with Yusuke.)
14) To Demon World and beyond!
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(BTW: I just remembered why I LOVE Ch. Black Saga so much. Besides awesome new art, awesome plot, and awesome messings with the human mind and ethical questions and stuff...THE LINES ARE FREAKIN' AWESOME! No joke! Everyone of Yusuke's line is a joke! XD)
So, it would really be 1:30 AM at the most. So... it really shouldn't be sun shining beautifully if Demon World and Human World time were parallels. : )
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 8:45 pm
havishanta (BTW: I just remembered why I LOVE Ch. Black Saga so much. Besides awesome new art, awesome plot, and awesome messings with the human mind and ethical questions and stuff...THE LINES ARE FREAKIN' AWESOME! No joke! Everyone of Yusuke's line is a joke! XD) "I know as much about games as I do hugs or puppies, and care for them even less." INORITE. 4laugh
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 9:10 pm
LOL! Gotta love Hiei! XD <3
No, but not even.
Yusuke: What are we waiting for?!
Hiei: You to stop talking.
Yusuke: Spreading your seeds, Kurama?
Keiko: (crazed ranting to cop)
XD
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 5:06 pm
havishanta Keiko: (crazed ranting to cop) This scene made me a major fan of Keiko. Srsly.
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 8:15 pm
InkMistress havishanta Keiko: (crazed ranting to cop) This scene made me a major fan of Keiko. Srsly. Ditto. LOL. It's saved in my youtube. =^^= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMB-PROiM2cI HATED Keiko, before that, well, maybe "hate" is too strong of a word, but I didn't exactly care for her... >,> You remember my Keiko-bashing days, don't you? LOL
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Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:50 pm
InkMistress I'd like to attempt to break it down into timeline form, if no one minds. The day that Kuwabara gets kidnapped is a long one, isn't it? If I'm not mistaken, episodes 78-93 or so all take place on that one day. I specifically recall that the sun is setting as Hiei and Yusuke rejoin the group outside Demon's Door Cave. Therefore, it's probably between 5 and 8pm, depending on the time of year. The four boys head into the cave first, and it takes a few hours for them to get through, right? I can't remember the exact amount, but I'd guess it's around 2-3, maybe less. Then they have to go back and get the rest of the group and come back to the Goblin City gate, which might have taken perhaps eight hours total (margin of error: 685476 days.) So it's probably around 3am (VERY rough estimate) when they actually get into Sensui's cave; I know that there was a time limit there, but my brain is on vacation and cannot be bothered with minor details like that. Assuming that they get into Makai a few hours (possibly two) after that, it might have been sunrise when they entered there. That would possibly make me think that you're wrong, but it seemed to me that it was SUNSET in Makai (or was it just that the sky is always red there? I have these weird hang-ups about the Makai; in my fanfics, I ALWAYS describe the daytime sky as red and the moon as green at night. Why is this?) Anyway, so yeah, there probably is a time difference. Oddly enough, that was used in borderline_mary's story Changing Death, so we're not the only ones to think of it. Makai is definitely a different dimension, but because I'm a veteran of astronomy/geology classes, I'm tempted to still think of it as taking place on a planet--perhaps one in a far off solar system. That would explain the different terrain, the magical inhabitants, and--as you're suggesting--the time difference. If a planet is closer to the sun, assuming our laws apply to other solar systems, it will have shorter days and therefore shorter years, allowing inhabitants to technically "live longer." Or, Togashi-san made it up on a whim and never bothered to explain it all to anyone. biggrin I LIVE! (Though for how long, I do not know.) I picked six hours kind of arbitrarily, honestly, when I was doing the fic. Amusingly enough, the way I set it up actually appears to work. I established for the fic that if it's noon in the Ningenkai, it's six hours before that (6 a.m., just after sunrise) in the Makai. So, if they don't reach Sensui's cave until 1-3 a.m., and you subtract six hours from that, you get 7-9 p.m. for when they arrive in Makai -- right on the latter side of sunset. It's always hard to tell what time it is in Makai, though; the sky DOES always seem to be reddish, which I always attributed to its weird cloud cover, although we're shown a place or two where the sun is visible.
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Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:38 pm
Dead thread is dead, but it was so much fun while it lived. q_q
The -6 hours idea is pretty nifty. biggrin At the time, it was between April and May, as well, so the sun cycle should work out... (btw, I miss that fic. Is it living?)
However, a point that I SO briefly touched on (and I can't believe I didn't put so much emphasis on this, perhaps because there's not much to discuss about it) is imagining Makaii as an alternate reality. The very thought makes me giggle! biggrin
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Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 10:48 pm
Quote: but when Sensui, Kuwabara, Kurama, and Hiei went through the Keikai Barrier (sp?) into Demon World, it was sunny, looking about...afternoonish, midday? Hello? Different dimensions here.... Quote: Because, seriously, who WASN'T breathless during their first viewing of Demon World? I wasn't. Quote: What if Demon World is an alternate reality to Human World, No its not an alternate reality. Makai and Ningenkai are separate dimensions. Quote: which would explain why Netherworld had the same relationship to Demon World as Spirit World has to Human World. Netherworld=Non canon Quote: Even so, another idea that came to my mind is if the time of day is different, why can't other respect to time be different? Perhaps that's why demons live so long to humans, perhaps time passes quicker in Makaii. No it doesn't. The entire 'Three Kings Saga' proves it. Quote: I ALWAYS describe the daytime sky as red and the moon as green at night. Why is this? Does Makai even have a moon? I don't think Makai is a planet. Quote: I picked six hours kind of arbitrarily, honestly, when I was doing the fic. Amusingly enough, the way I set it up actually appears to work. I established for the fic that if it's noon in the Ningenkai, it's six hours before that (6 a.m., just after sunrise) in the Makai. How did you come to this...um.... 'conclusion'? Quote: so the sun cycle should work out... Does Makai even have a 'sun'?
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Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:34 pm
deaddog1991 Quote: What if Demon World is an alternate reality to Human World, No its not an alternate reality. Makai and Ningenkai are separate dimensions. (opens mouth than closes it) ...Crap. You're right. (Feels dumb) HONESTLY THOUGH I THINK ALTERNATE REALITY WOULD'VE BEEN SO MUCH COOLER THOUGH! sweatdrop Quote: Quote: which would explain why Netherworld had the same relationship to Demon World as Spirit World has to Human World. Netherworld=Non canon Yes, but I LOVED that movie! biggrin (And it totally would've supported my Alternate Reality idea if it wasn't now completely void. lesigh!) Quote: Quote: Even so, another idea that came to my mind is if the time of day is different, why can't other respect to time be different? Perhaps that's why demons live so long to humans, perhaps time passes quicker in Makaii. No it doesn't. The entire 'Three Kings Saga' proves it. Ah. (concedes to correctness again...) Quote: Quote: I ALWAYS describe the daytime sky as red and the moon as green at night. Why is this? Does Makai even have a moon? I don't think Makai is a planet. If you read her posts a bit more carefully, you would have seen that she often imagines and writes Makaii as a planet. Whether it is or not is up to discussion. biggrin Quote: Quote: I picked six hours kind of arbitrarily, honestly, when I was doing the fic. Amusingly enough, the way I set it up actually appears to work. I established for the fic that if it's noon in the Ningenkai, it's six hours before that (6 a.m., just after sunrise) in the Makai. How did you come to this...um.... 'conclusion'? Enough said. Quote: Quote: so the sun cycle should work out... Does Makai even have a 'sun'? If you had followed THE ENTIRE THREAD more closely (which you seemed to point out all the flaws in, perhaps you just have a problem with context) you would have noticed that I was referring to Ningenkai, HUMAN WORLD. And as for whether Makaii has a sun...what do you suggest was lighting the skies during the day, hm? For there to be a day and a night there must be a sun cycle of sorts, yes?
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Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 3:17 am
Quote: Yes, but I LOVED that movie! I never liked the movie. sweatdrop Quote: If you read her posts a bit more carefully, you would have seen that she often imagines and writes Makaii as a planet. Whether it is or not is up to discussion. Actually, me and Wyndi are having a heated discussion about whether Makai has a sun and moon or not. Ask her about the details. smile OIC Quote: I seem to notice a recurring theme here. Ahem. Quote: If you had followed THE ENTIRE THREAD more closely (which you seemed to point out all the flaws in, perhaps you just have a problem with context) you would have noticed that I was referring to Ningenkai, HUMAN WORLD. You sure?: Quote: That would possibly make me think that you're wrong, but it seemed to me that it was SUNSET in Makai Quote: Makai is definitely a different dimension, but because I'm a veteran of astronomy/geology classes, I'm tempted to still think of it as taking place on a planet--perhaps one in a far off solar system. Quote: And as for whether Makaii has a sun...what do you suggest was lighting the skies during the day, hm? For there to be a day and a night there must be a sun cycle of sorts, yes? Thats what I wanna know. I am still discussing this with Wyndi. perhaps you can ask her.....
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Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:24 am
deaddog1991 How did you come to this...um.... 'conclusion'? Um... mathematically? My arbitrary use of a six-hour time difference in one particular fanfiction works out, completely by accident, with InkMistress's stated theory, which I quoted in its entirety (thus providing context for my statement). I found the coincidence amusing. What 'conclusion' did you believe I was putting forth, and is there a reason you felt the need to infer that it must be invalid at the same time as you ostensibly asked for supporting process?
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