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Hoshioni

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 11:17 am


doesnt it annoy you all that they raise prices of anything halfway healthy in the stores treating good health like some luxury item?

there has to be a way a poor person/family can do this
PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 12:56 pm


Money represents a service done. For quality, expect to pay more for it. There is of course always the option of trying to grow food. Even if you don't have a yard, windows on the south face of your house provide enough light for a lot of things.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 1:18 am


then by that logic doesnt it bother you that you pay less for extra "goods" added to your food. and that pure non GMMO foods are exipensive and next to impossible to buy in common areas?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 12:31 pm


You pay less for gmo food because they can grow it faster, better, cheaper then organic farmers. Cheap production makes the food cheaper in return.

I believe no matter where you live you can either find a healthier option, or grow your own food. (In some ways) I don't expect an apartment goer to have a garden on their porch, but community gardens are rising in popularity. In the suburbs and rural areas I expect growing a garden would come easier.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 12:45 pm


Faster and cheaper are one thing, but better is a matter of opinion, quantified by a number of other factors.

I have not problem with the CONCEPT of genetic modification, other than the fact that is is also cheap because the companies that control these genes have farmers losing money. The cost is genetic diversity, and qualities often associated with a good taste.
PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:46 pm


well i have a problem with untested or barely tested things becomeing big on the market before seeing the health effects.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 1:28 pm


The "cost of healthy eating" argument is a pet peeve of mine. I hear it all the time from people who have never attempted to grow anything for themselves. It seems like a good excuse to keep eating crap and staying unhealthy. The fact is, if you have so much as a balcony you can grow plenty of fresh vegetables such as potatoes and tomatoes in vertical boxes and you can grow herbs in the kitchen window. Once you've grown your own food you won't ever want to pay a grocery store for the same thing again.
PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:42 am


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The "cost of healthy eating" argument is a pet peeve of mine. I hear it all the time from people who have never attempted to grow anything for themselves. It seems like a good excuse to keep eating crap and staying unhealthy. The fact is, if you have so much as a balcony you can grow plenty of fresh vegetables such as potatoes and tomatoes in vertical boxes and you can grow herbs in the kitchen window. Once you've grown your own food you won't ever want to pay a grocery store for the same thing again.


    I can't wait to try to grow this year. I've been proven to have a brown thumb in the past, but I have a beautiful greenhouse now and plenty of land. I just have no idea what I'm doing!!!

    There is a local organic farm stand that I go to only when it rains, because they take 20% of everything during the rain! It's awesome because rain=prosperity in some cultures, and it's so true for me when I shop there.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:58 am


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    I can't wait to try to grow this year. I've been proven to have a brown thumb in the past, but I have a beautiful greenhouse now and plenty of land. I just have no idea what I'm doing!!!

    There is a local organic farm stand that I go to only when it rains, because they take 20% of everything during the rain! It's awesome because rain=prosperity in some cultures, and it's so true for me when I shop there.
Oh wow, how cool! You'll figure it out, don't worry. It's not that hard at all and you'll be so proud when you eat your own stuff for the first time. The biggest obstacle is fighting off the pests and diseases if you're presumably doing it all organic. There are a lot of great resources in this guild and all over the internet though.
PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 10:33 am



Growing things in windows wouldn't allow you to necessarily grow enough to keep yourself, never mind a family, in vegetables. It can be a start, and you can certainly even supplement it with what you can afford, but it's not a solution to the problem. This country needs like, a major overhaul when it comes to stuff like that. I was growing veggies all last winter in my windows, and only managed to grow enough to keep my tortoise fed.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 10:42 am


Small window gardens are best used for herbs to increase the flavor of bland store bought crap. Nothing is quiet as tasty as fresh herbs. Also for those who were complaining about the high prices for store bought organic produce, look for farmers markets. There are 4 or 5 farmers markets within an hours drive of where I live, and all on different days. The food is usually cheaper than the organic stuff in the stores, and u get the fun of walking around in a festival like environment. Also they just put in an organic supermarket nearby that only sells organic. Their prices are better as well, although still slightly higher than regular market junk. And they have a huge wine section! *hic*
PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:09 pm


Remember, everyone, that there is no basic nutritional difference between organically grown and conventionally grown vegetables. The difference is in the use of herbicides and pesticides in conventional growing, and different control methods with organic growing.

I have a problem with genetically modified vegetables. Does the body use those foods just the same way, or think, "what is this?' The modification makes them unpalatable to pests, so, in my mind, it may be like the difference between margarine and butter---ants and other bugs won't touch margarine, but butter is a totally different story.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:23 pm


Ellavemia
The "cost of healthy eating" argument is a pet peeve of mine. I hear it all the time from people who have never attempted to grow anything for themselves. It seems like a good excuse to keep eating crap and staying unhealthy. The fact is, if you have so much as a balcony you can grow plenty of fresh vegetables such as potatoes and tomatoes in vertical boxes and you can grow herbs in the kitchen window. Once you've grown your own food you won't ever want to pay a grocery store for the same thing again.


well where can i get the non gmmo seeds?
PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:09 pm


Pretty much anywhere. They're not the same thing as hybrids, either, so don't be afraid of hybrids. If you want to save seed for next year, you don't want hybrids, because their offspring will be a combination of types, if they produce at all (some hybrids are sterile). So if you want to save seed, look for "heirloom" varieties. If you're not saving seed, just check the seed packages to see what will grow best in your area---lots of hybrids are bred to be resistant to certain bacterial and fungal diseases that may be a problem in your area. Grow what looks good to you!

Don't forget that you can grow lots of grocery store items, too, like dried beans-----just be aware that lots of the veggies are hybrids, and will produce a variety of plants, if at all.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 11:42 am


Most of the seed companies now have organic seed categories for you to choose from. You will still find hybrids amongst them, it just means they aren't genetically modified. Try www.territorialseed.com
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