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Can someone be only partially Jewish?
Yes, sure.
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No. Either you are or you aren't.
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Lumanny the Space Jew

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:04 pm


There is no such thing as 'half-Jewish' or 'part Jewish.'
Either you are or you aren't.



Like me, my parentage is half-Catholic and half-Jewish, but I myself am only Jewish because a person cannot be only partially Jewish.
My parentage is also, like, 1/64 or 1/128 Native American(I forget which), but I'm not going to go around calling myself partially Native American.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:29 pm


You're right. It's something that annoys me to no end. You're either Jewish by Halacha, or you're not. There's no half anything.

You're not half Catholic, your father is Catholic and you chose not to follow Catholicism. I don't consider myself Catholic at all, even though my "percentage" would be 100%.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:31 pm


Im in agreement with you. I was taught that being Jewish was being part of the Jewish religion, not a damn ethnicity -.-
PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:36 pm


Call Me Apple
Im in agreement with you. I was taught that being Jewish was being part of the Jewish religion, not a damn ethnicity -.-

Well that's where this question gets complicated.
Judaism is an ethnicity, but it is only passed through the mother, so one cannot be half-Jewish by ethnicity.

In Medias Res IV
You're right. It's something that annoys me to no end. You're either Jewish by Halacha, or you're not. There's no half anything.

You're not half Catholic, your father is Catholic and you chose not to follow Catholicism. I don't consider myself Catholic at all, even though my "percentage" would be 100%.

Actually, I wrote 'parentage,' not 'percentage.'

Mu parentage, as in my bloodline, is half-Catholic and half-Jewish, but I myself am not half-Catholic or half-Jewish, but instead All-Jewish, which I maintain is the only way to be Jewish.

Lumanny the Space Jew

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In Medias Res IV

PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:53 pm


Lumanny the Space Jew
Call Me Apple
Im in agreement with you. I was taught that being Jewish was being part of the Jewish religion, not a damn ethnicity -.-

Well that's where this question gets complicated.

In Medias Res IV
You're right. It's something that annoys me to no end. You're either Jewish by Halacha, or you're not. There's no half anything.

You're not half Catholic, your father is Catholic and you chose not to follow Catholicism. I don't consider myself Catholic at all, even though my "percentage" would be 100%.

Actually, I wrote 'parentage,' not 'percentage.'

Mu parentage, as in my bloodline, is half-Catholic and half-Jewish, but I myself am not half-Catholic or half-Jewish, but instead All-Jewish, which I maintain is the only way to be Jewish.


Ack, I need to learn how to read. But religions can't be bloodlines... Catholic is surely not a bloodline.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:19 pm


In Medias Res IV
Lumanny the Space Jew
Call Me Apple
Im in agreement with you. I was taught that being Jewish was being part of the Jewish religion, not a damn ethnicity -.-

Well that's where this question gets complicated.

In Medias Res IV
You're right. It's something that annoys me to no end. You're either Jewish by Halacha, or you're not. There's no half anything.

You're not half Catholic, your father is Catholic and you chose not to follow Catholicism. I don't consider myself Catholic at all, even though my "percentage" would be 100%.

Actually, I wrote 'parentage,' not 'percentage.'

Mu parentage, as in my bloodline, is half-Catholic and half-Jewish, but I myself am not half-Catholic or half-Jewish, but instead All-Jewish, which I maintain is the only way to be Jewish.


Ack, I need to learn how to read. But religions can't be bloodlines... Catholic is surely not a bloodline.

I just meant that the people all would be Catholic for that one side; I probably should have phrased that better, sorry.

Lumanny the Space Jew

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Julri

PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:29 pm


Lumanny the Space Jew
Call Me Apple
Im in agreement with you. I was taught that being Jewish was being part of the Jewish religion, not a damn ethnicity -.-

Well that's where this question gets complicated.
Judaism is an ethnicity, but it is only passed through the mother, so one cannot be half-Jewish by ethnicity.


That's kind of confusing. So, if someone's mom is ethnically Jewish and their dad is black or French or whatever, they're still just Jewish?

Also, does it just pertain to Judaism, or from a Jewish perspective are all people ethnically just what their mom is?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 5:24 pm


Julri
Lumanny the Space Jew
Call Me Apple
Im in agreement with you. I was taught that being Jewish was being part of the Jewish religion, not a damn ethnicity -.-

Well that's where this question gets complicated.
Judaism is an ethnicity, but it is only passed through the mother, so one cannot be half-Jewish by ethnicity.


That's kind of confusing. So, if someone's mom is ethnically Jewish and their dad is black or French or whatever, they're still just Jewish?

Also, does it just pertain to Judaism, or from a Jewish perspective are all people ethnically just what their mom is?

If your mom is Jewish, you're ethnically Jewish.
If your religion is Judaism(the details explained eslewhere), you're religiously Jewish.

If either one of these is true, you are 100% Jewish.
If neither one of these is true, you are 100% not Jewish.
There is no in-between. No half-Jews.



If you're another ethnicity and also ethnically Jewish, then your ethnicity is both. Plenty of people have multiple ethnicities.

And the mom rule is only for Judaism due to the Sanhedirin Ruling of Matrilineal descent in the Babylonian Exile.

Lumanny the Space Jew

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Julri

PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 8:07 pm


I was reading about half-Jews on Wikipedia. This is what is says:

Quote:
"Half-Jewish"
In the United States, because of intermarriage, the population of "half-Jews" is beginning to rival that of Jews with two Jewish parents. Self-identified "half-Jews" consider the term a familial category, which reflects multiple heritages and possible Jewish cultural or spiritual practices.[65][66][67] Other similar terms that have been used include: "part-Jewish" and "partial-Jews". The term "Gershom", "Gershomi" or "Beta Gershom" has also been used as an alternative to "half-Jewish" and "part-Jewish" in connection with descendants of intermarriage, Gershom being the son of Moses and his Midianite wife Zipporah.[68] The term typically has no religious meaning, as terms like Jewish Christian do, but rather describes ethnic Jewry.


The article did also talk about whether or not they are technically half-Jewish, which is why I think in this paragraph they put phrases like "half-Jews" in quotes every time.

Anyway, I just brought this up because it made me wonder what people think about the term "Gershomi" then. Is is still inaccurate or is it okay?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 8:12 pm


Lumanny the Space Jew
Julri
Lumanny the Space Jew
Call Me Apple
Im in agreement with you. I was taught that being Jewish was being part of the Jewish religion, not a damn ethnicity -.-

Well that's where this question gets complicated.
Judaism is an ethnicity, but it is only passed through the mother, so one cannot be half-Jewish by ethnicity.


That's kind of confusing. So, if someone's mom is ethnically Jewish and their dad is black or French or whatever, they're still just Jewish?

Also, does it just pertain to Judaism, or from a Jewish perspective are all people ethnically just what their mom is?

If your mom is Jewish, you're ethnically Jewish.

If you're another ethnicity and also ethnically Jewish, then your ethnicity is both. Plenty of people have multiple ethnicities.


I'm kind of confused about how these sentences can both be true. So, ethnically speaking, are they just Jewish or are they both?

Julri


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 8:15 pm


And what about those of us who are Jewish by birth but not by faith?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:03 pm


Out of curiosity, then what would you call someone who was having trouble deciding what religion they were part of?

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Lumanny the Space Jew

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:59 am


Julri
Lumanny the Space Jew
Julri
Lumanny the Space Jew
Call Me Apple
Im in agreement with you. I was taught that being Jewish was being part of the Jewish religion, not a damn ethnicity -.-

Well that's where this question gets complicated.
Judaism is an ethnicity, but it is only passed through the mother, so one cannot be half-Jewish by ethnicity.


That's kind of confusing. So, if someone's mom is ethnically Jewish and their dad is black or French or whatever, they're still just Jewish?

Also, does it just pertain to Judaism, or from a Jewish perspective are all people ethnically just what their mom is?

If your mom is Jewish, you're ethnically Jewish.

If you're another ethnicity and also ethnically Jewish, then your ethnicity is both. Plenty of people have multiple ethnicities.


I'm kind of confused about how these sentences can both be true. So, ethnically speaking, are they just Jewish or are they both?

My ethnicity is Jewish, and also Caucasian.
Like that. It's not a big deal.
PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 11:02 am


DaikonNairu -Ren-
And what about those of us who are Jewish by birth but not by faith?
Ethnically Jewish but not religiously Jewish?
Just that.

Lumanny the Space Jew

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