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viper_353

PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:52 pm


Hey. I was wondering...how far do you think a relationship should go between an unmarried pair? i mean, I think it's known that we're not supposed to be going far enough to want to have innapropriate relations, but does that depend on the person, or should we say--two unmarried people should not kiss or hold hands? I'm just wondering what u guys think about this.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:26 am


*Shrug.* To a certain extent, I'd have to say that depends upon the couple in question. I mean, if the guy wants to smooch six hours a day, but the girl's not comfortable with that 'cause of what it stirs up in her, then clearly, that's out. On the other hand, if it doesn't bother either of them, then there's something wrong someplace.

The main rules are (as I understand them), don't commit adultery (sexual relations), and don't let yourself be tempted.

GRAPHIC ALERT: I'm about to say something that some folks might find a trifle offensive. If you're one of them, skip past this quote box.
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I think "adultery" needs a wee bit of expansion. If two people are bound and determined not to have sex until after marriage, that's great ... but that doesn't mean they should have pre-marital oral sex as an alternative. Nor a**l sex. Nor "mutual masturbation". Nor "petting". Nor, to accomodate this day and age, cyber sex. I'd even rule out dry-humping.

I say these not because I'm a killjoy, but because they're all just different versions of the same thing. We humans like to compartmentalize and draw distinctions and ... basically do whatever it takes to justify doing what we actually want to do, regardless of what we're supposed to do. That's a load of crap. It's all the same, just like all the Commandments are basically the same. Now skip to the second paragraph after this box.
If you're rejoining us after having skipped the quote box ... go back and read it. You probably need to see what I said anyway. xp

Now that I've said all that ... one of the disadvantages of being a Christian (not often you'll hear me say that), is that we don't just live for God and ourselves. We have to live for how others perceive us, 'cause we don't want to give God a bad image, and we don't want to give ourselves a bad image as His representatives.

Now, "sleeping together" has certain meanings in this day and age. Let's say a guy and girl decide to sleep together ... and that's all they do: sleep. No "inappropriate relations", no messy bits ... just a peck on the cheek and a lot of snoring. You'd think that would be okay, right?

Wrong. Because others are watching ... I don't care how good you are at hiding, others are always watching. And if they see what these two snoozers did, they'll assume sex was involved, and bang! testimony destroyed. "Yeah, your God can't be that important to you if you're busy busting bedsprings." "Dude, we didn't do anything." "Yeah, right."

See, we can't just act on what we think is inappropriate, or on what God thinks is inappropriate. We also have to act on what the world thinks is inappropriate.

Now, going back to your initial question ... and keeping in mind, this is just my personal opinion ... holding hands? Fine. Hugging? Fine. Kissing, with or without tongue? Fine, but you spend too much time doing that, I'm going to wonder what you're up to when we're not looking. Best rule of thumb is to proceed at a pace both parties find comfortable ... but don't proceed to far.

It's kind of a vague answer, for which I apologize, but ... it's kind of a vague subject.

Dragonbait

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Xiterrose
Crew

PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:12 pm


I pretty much agree with what 'Bait just said. Sex is sex, regardless. Too many people just want to justify what they're doing. But this primarily goes for Christians.

Non-Christians, well, we can't judge what they do, just try to be an example to them.
PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 3:09 pm


Yeah, thanks you guys just said it really well!
Yeah, and Xitterrose, for the non Christians, there's also the mental impact and issues of sex and stuff that comes into play with all of us. And so even for them and for us it shouldn't be just a rule. There's real reasoning that God has for what he wants us to abstain from too.

viper_353


Takahashi_Natsumi

PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:55 am


I think it just depends on your heart. And his. If kissing causes one of you to stumble, then it's wrong to do. If kissing is no different from a hug to both of you, then I think it's fine.

Usually if you can't find something expressly written about a particular act (in the Bible) or you can't find a scripture that describes an intent or message that implicitly, but clearly, rebukes that act... you should probably be fine.

Just pray about it. You should feel convicted in your spirit if you begin doing things that dishonor God. I wouldn't worry too much, though. In most cases, holding hands is fine. Kissing, just depends. (and I assume you mean simple lip-to-lip pecks; not make-out sessions).
PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:33 pm


Takahashi_Natsumi
I think it just depends on your heart. And his. If kissing causes one of you to stumble, then it's wrong to do. If kissing is no different from a hug to both of you, then I think it's fine.

Usually if you can't find something expressly written about a particular act (in the Bible) or you can't find a scripture that describes an intent or message that implicitly, but clearly, rebukes that act... you should probably be fine.
Absolutely right. If it brings you temptation, turn from it. If it causes you or, worse, others to stumble, it's a bad thing.

Dragonbait

Steadfast Elder

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