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 Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 5:58 pm
I'm a hunter, dual-specced in Beast Mastery and Marksmanship (with a Scorpid pet), and I swear that every time I go into a regular dungeon, heroic dungeon, or battleground (haven't even attempted raiding), everyone is always going 'wahwahwah' about how horrible my DPS is, and how even the tank does more, and whenever they do that little list of damage percents, I'm the lowest on the list. I'm really not the hardcore WoW player that NEEDS to be the best geared with the best DPS, since I play to entertain myself when there's nothing better to do, but I really am getting really tired of every single person complaining when I try and do this group shiznit in game (which is basically all that's left when you hit 80). I know they'll just kick me if I decide to be a smartass and express why I don't bother gearing/speccing up, so I'm just going to do it so I can actually have fun doing this crap. Any advice as to how to get to their level would be much appreciated, since I haven't looked into it much.Thanks. Edit: Some asked for this. Here's my armory deal: CLICK HERE
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:08 pm
Could be a list of things.
Rotation, gearing wrong, talents not in the right place, or changing ranks of spells in your action bars (a lot of people don't change them and they're throwing out rank 4/5 spells instead of rank 13 or something like that)
Anyways, I'm not a hunter myself, but I'm guessing if you do want someone to help, they'd need more info. I do know agi and being hit capped is pretty important though.
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:15 pm
Gear can make a huge difference. Even with all else the same (buffs, rotation, spec, etc), a set of good gear can give you thousands more DPS than a set of bad gear. Specs make a difference too. If you're not doing your research when it comes to specs and are just guessing at where to put points, you might not be making the most of your talents. You also might not be doing the best rotation. Some abilities do more damage than others, some abilities are best when used after another ability, etc. You also might not be enchanting right, gearing right, gemming right, etc. There are a lot of possibilities. It might take a lot of time, research, and work on your part to figure out where your problem is and to correct it. But you will probably be a much better player with a much better understanding of your class once you do. Try visiting a site like http://elitistjerks.com/f74/ You can find information on gear, specs, the best pet to use, gems, enchants, rotations, and more.
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:42 am
do you have an addon like recount that records your dps for you? It can also be a handy tool to check out if you are actually doing crappy dps or if the people who blame you do are just elitist jerks. For heroics, a dps of 1.5-2k is not bad, you only have to worry if it is below that, and believe me, you really have to be just auto-attacking to get that (and still people manage to get that low dps). Then again, dps is not that important in heroics anyway, knowing what you have to do is more important, and there are still people who do high amounts of dps but have no clue what to do on bosses.
If you just do the daily random every day it should be quite easy to get the t9 gear at the tournament, which is ilvl 232, comparable to Ulduar item level.
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:31 am
Surprisingly enough, nobody has said gems. Gemming your gear can boost your DPS by a surprisingly high amount. I got all new gear from icecrown 10-early 25 and my dps actually DROPPED slightly, because of the lack of gems. Check the gem bonus vs. the gem stats, see if it's worth substituting a diff color in if it's better then the bonus you will get. And if it isn't better, then get another gem that will give you the bonus. It's a small price to pay, but you can't really put a price on BoP gear, ya know? It's all worth it in the end man.
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:33 am
XDarkSoulJakeX Surprisingly enough, nobody has said gems. Gemming your gear can boost your DPS by a surprisingly high amount. I got all new gear from icecrown 10-early 25 and my dps actually DROPPED slightly, because of the lack of gems. It's a small price to pay, but you can't really put a price on BoP gear, ya know? It's all worth it in the end man. I think gems go under the "gear" category and Lorien and I mentioned that. :- P Do you have an armory link to maybe get a better idea of what gear you have and what you can improve?
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:45 am
Then that doesn't really help. Because saying "Get better gear" is really really general. That could mean new shoulders/head/chest/gem/weapons/rings/trinkets. Lorien suggested a set of good gear...which could possibly mean replacing all of his gear.
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:57 am
XDarkSoulJakeX Then that doesn't really help. Because saying "Get better gear" is really really general. That could mean new shoulders/head/chest/gem/weapons/rings/trinkets. Lorien suggested a set of good gear...which could possibly mean replacing all of his gear. He didn't link his armory or tell us what he is wearing. So it would be impossible to specifically tell him what he needs to upgrade at this point. Maybe he does need to upgrade everything. He could be wearing cloth spell gear for all I know. Unless he gives us a lot more information, all we can do is tell him general areas that he might need to work on. And, yes, I did specifically mention gems.
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:29 am
XDarkSoulJakeX Then that doesn't really help. Because saying "Get better gear" is really really general. That could mean new shoulders/head/chest/gem/weapons/rings/trinkets. Lorien suggested a set of good gear...which could possibly mean replacing all of his gear. He may need a different set of shoulders/head/chest/gem/weapons/rings/trinket. We have no idea what he's wearing, but it may be that he's no where near hit cap nor stacking the right stats. After we/he knows what stats he's missing, then he can work towards enchanting/gemming accordingly. Gemming is important, but if he's constantly getting complaints in regs and heroics, then I think it may be something a bit more obvious like spell ranks (especially if dual specced)/rotation/talents/wearing gear pertaining to another spec/class. With the info he gave, all we can really give is "really really general" advice since we can't tell exactly what he's doing wrong. :- P
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:51 am
Ironically, I find it's actually *harder* to get DPS up as a hunter in heroics than I do raids, simply because the enemies go down so fast, and you may be suffering from the same problem.
Not to mention, as a BM hunter, your pet is much more vital, and it may be they're not taking it's DPS into account.
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:28 am
GS Sailor Saturn Ironically, I find it's actually *harder* to get DPS up as a hunter in heroics than I do raids, simply because the enemies go down so fast, and you may be suffering from the same problem. I definitely notice a difference on my warlock too. Stuff in five mans drop too fast for my dots to take full effect, which means lower DPS for me. Also, some tanks are really decked out in good gear and are pulling pretty decent DPS themselves. GS Sailor Saturn Not to mention, as a BM hunter, your pet is much more vital, and it may be they're not taking it's DPS into account. I believe Recount does take a pet's DPS into account by default, and I don't think most people change that setting. So while it is possible, I doubt that that's the problem here. You also might want to look into pets, kang. My partner said a scorpid probably isn't the best choice for either of your specs.
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:31 pm
i dont play a hunter but i know the recommended "best" pet is a wolf. though since your BM, you could get away with others pets, but they have to be the rare or exotic pets, like spirit beasts or devilsaurs.
as a DK, i have lower dps in heriocs but i have decent dps in raids. i think i average 2.3k unbuffed. i've hit over 3k while buffed with blood lust and hysteria up. on the PuG raiding i do, this usually lands me in 5th-6th place on the dps charts.
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:47 pm
LDownTo XDarkSoulJakeX Surprisingly enough, nobody has said gems. Gemming your gear can boost your DPS by a surprisingly high amount. I got all new gear from icecrown 10-early 25 and my dps actually DROPPED slightly, because of the lack of gems. It's a small price to pay, but you can't really put a price on BoP gear, ya know? It's all worth it in the end man. I think gems go under the "gear" category and Lorien and I mentioned that. :- P Do you have an armory link to maybe get a better idea of what gear you have and what you can improve?
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:36 pm
Gems. You don't have any. If you're not gemming your gear you are missing out on a huge amount of stats. Enchants. You don't have enough. Again, missing out on a huge amount of stats. Wrong gear. You have it. You need to learn what stats you, as a hunter, need. Just because you can wear something, doesn't mean you should. You need to drop that spell power/mp5 stuff like it's your job because those are not your best stats. You should also try to replace your resilience gear when something better comes along. Resilience is for PvP, so it's wasted in PvE. You also need to get rid of the greens and low level crap. If the item level is less than 200, make it an absolute priority to replace it. Gear is incredibly easy to get right now. Even most casual raiders are walking around in 245 gear at this point. So keep doing the five mans. Do heroics. Do some research. See what heroics drop good gear for you, then queue for those heroics specifically. Get into some VoAs. VoA is easy and puggable. You can also look for Naxx, OS, or ToC pugs. Those are all very easy and puggable as well. Look at the badge gear. Hit is also very important. If your hit is too low, then you will be missing a lot. That means completely wasted time/mana/energy/arrows/whatever. I don't know what your hit needs to be at as a hunter, but it's probably more than the 4% hit that you have right now. Take a look at the link that I posted for more information on the stats that you need. Does your guild run anything? If not, you might want to look for a guild that does. A good guild for you might be one that is just starting to raid.
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:46 pm
Take a look at this armory: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Skywall&cn=Arrows
That's my partner's character. It's an alt that he hardly ever plays. He's just done a couple of heroics and 10 man pugs on it to get it the most basic gear. So this is certainly not the best geared hunter out there. But it is appropriately geared. I am showing it to you because that's the kind of gear that you could just as easily get right now without even needing to raid seriously, find a raiding guild, commit to any certain times, etc. That will give you an idea of what gems, enchants, stats, and gear you can be shooting for right now too. You can also click on his gear to see where he got it, so you know what dungeons you need to queue up for.
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