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tanamon_forever
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:04 pm


All About Effort Values (EV's)


EVs, Effort Values, or Effort Points, are a little like Experience Points: they are obtained by fainting opposing Pokemon. The main difference between Experience Points and EVs is that no matter what level of Pokemon you battle, you’ll always get the same number of EVs. What the EVs depend on is the species of Pokemon.

For example:

Battling a level 5 Zubat may get you 30 Exp. Points while battling a level 20 Zubat would give you a few hundred. But, though the levels and Exp. Points gained are different, the Pokemon that battled either Zubat would still get 1 Speed EV.

EVs come from battling any Pokemon and are gained by any Pokemon that gets Experience Points in a battle. Different Pokemon have different numbers of EVs for different stats. Like that Zubat which had 1 Speed EV or say, an Empoleon which gives 3 Special Attack EVs.

EV training is simply battling the right Pokemon that gives the right EVs. So now, onto the numbers side of things:

So, what do these E-Vs do, you ask? Well there is a limit to how many you can get on one Pokemon, 510. Once a Pokemon has 510 EVs, they can gain no more. Having 4 EVs for one stat will mean 1 more stat point that Pokemon has at level 100. That bit took a few times to make sense to me so I’ll throw in another example here:

If you have a Pokemon with zero EVs at level 100, its Speed might be 200. But if that same Pokemon got 4 Speed EVs before it reached level 100, then it’s speed would be 201.
So for every 4 EVs you get in a stat, that stat gets 1 extra point at level 100. Make sense? Excellent.

Those more maths-able of you reading this might by now have realized that 510, the number of EVs each Pokemon can get, is not cleanly divisible by 4. That is why we generally just discredit the remaining two EVs in an EV spread.

So 508 EVs to distribute around a Pokemon’s stats for a potential overall stat gain of 127 points at level 100. So, can’t you just dump all of those EVs into making something super-duper-fast or defensive? The answer is no, you can’t. There is a limit to how many EVs each stat can get which is 255.

Again, those more maths-able in the audience may have realized that we have another number not cleanly divisible by four. 255 / 4 = 63.75. So, what we do is just say that the maximum for a stat is 252, discrediting, though not completely, those other three EVs.

If you have the EVs spread out with two stats getting the maximum bonus, then you end up with 508 – 252 – 252 which equals 4, one stat point worth, which is where those extra EVs from the 255 went to. You may be saying, “But 2 * (255-252) leaves us with 6 EVs!”. Well, you’d be right but two of those 6 are the 2 we discredit to get 508 from 510 because 6 isn’t divisible by 4.

Wow, it really doesn’t feel like that would be too easy to understand for anyone completely new to this so I’ll put in as simple terms as possible:

We only put 252 of the possible 255 EVs into a stat because 255 isn’t divisible by 4. Because we don’t use the maximum, we have 4 EVs left over to go to a third stat. But remember, this is only when the EVs are spread over 2 stats getting the maximum.

Hopefully that kind of cleared up the numbers in EVs without being overly-complicated. It is very simple really.
PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:06 pm


Power Items


These are hold items which lower the Speed stat but add four EVs to whichever stat they specialize in.

Power Anklet - Lowers Speed, adds four Speed EVs on top of the usual EV gain when experience is gained.

Power Band - Lowers Speed, adds four Special Defense EVs on top of the usual EV gain when experience is gained.

Power Belt - Lowers Speed, adds four Defense EVs on top of the usual EV gain when experience is gained.

Power Bracer - Lowers Speed, adds four Attack EVs on top of the usual EV gain when experience is gained.

Power Lens - Lowers Speed, adds four Special Attack EVs on top of the usual EV gain when experience is gained.

Power Weight - Lowers Speed, adds four Hit Points EVs on top of the usual EV gain when experience is gained.

These “Power Items” Can be obtained for 16 Battle Points at the Battle Tower.

Note: The power item gain does not change with what you are battling, if you are getting 2 Speed EVs from wild Pokemon, yet holding the Power bracer, then you’ll get 2 Speed EVs and 4 Attack EVs.

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tanamon_forever
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:06 pm


Pokerus


Pokerus is a disease your Pokemon can catch at random by battling wild Pokemon. It is very rare for a Pokemon to catch Pokerus. The disease is a very helpful tool for EV Training as it doubles the number of EVs gained per battle (after the addition from Power Items).

Once a Pokemon has Pokerus, it will have a purple box in the top right corner of the picture in the infected Pokemon’s summary. This means that it has the disease in the infectious state. By battling with that Pokemon in first, you can spread the disease to other Pokemon by having them second in your line-up.

If you have an infected Pokemon in your party at midnight, I think that’s how it goes, the Pokerus will be cured and reach the non-infectious state. An indicator of this is a smiley face in the lower-right corner of the infected Pokemon’s picture in its summary. Don’t worry, a Pokemon with a smiley face will still get double EVs, but it can’t spread the Pokerus to others.

To preserve Pokerus, infect a Pokemon with it and throw it in a PC Box. Remember, just because it’s a disease, doesn’t mean it’s bad

Note: The order of operations when coupling Pokerus with any power items is as follows:

Usual EV gain from fainting opposing Pokemon + Power Item Bonus * Pokerus. So, let U = Usual EV gain and P = Power Item Bonus
2 * (U + P) = Total EV gain
PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:09 pm


Other Ways To Affect EV Gain


Macho Brace:

This is another hold item and it has the same effect as Pokerus: it doubles the EVs gained in battle but also slows down the holder. Coupled with Pokerus, you can get four times the usual EV gain from a single battle. The Macho Brace can be either Pal Parked across from the third generation or, if you can show the guy living above the Pastoria Poke-Mart all 3 types of Burmy, he’ll give you one free of charge.

Vitamins:

Vitamins are super-EV-drugs that give a Pokemon a boost of 10 EVs in the corresponding stat. The list is as follows:

Protein: 10 Attack EVs

Calcium: 10 Special Attack EVs

Iron: 10 Defense EVs

Zinc: 10 Special Defense EVs

Carbos: 10 Speed EVs

HP Up: 10 Hit Points EVs

A Pokemon is limited to 10 of each vitamin so obviously in many cases you’ll need to do more than just drug up your Pokemon to get the right number of EVs in a stat.

These are available for a hefty sum nearing 10,000 from the Veilstone Mall or for a mere 1 Battle Points at the Battle Tower.

Exp. Share:

This is, as most people should know, a hold item that gives the holder half of the Experience Points gained in battle, even if it didn’t fight itself. Well, good news: It gives the holder EVs as well, but, it gets better, the number of EVs the holder gets isn’t halved!

This can be used to EV Train a Pokemon that’s at a level too low to be able to rake in the EVs itself, as is common. The downside is, if it’s holding the Exp. Share, it can’t be holding the Macho Brace or any of the Power Items and thus will get EVs slower. An alternative is the good old-fashioned technique of having the Pokemon in first place holding a Power Item and switching it out at the start of the battle. If it gets any Experience Points at all from the battle, it’ll get full EVs.

EV-Reducing Berries:

“What’s that?!”, you say, “EV Reducing berries? Why would I want to reduce my Pokemon’s EVs?!” Well, the answer’s simple. Because you stuffed up. Because you learnt about EVs after training your Jolly 31 Attack/Speed IV Infernape on the Elite Four. Because the Shiny Pokemon you got in a trade from some n00b was trained on the Elite Four. That’s why. These berries can knock out all EVs so you can start the EV training process again. Or just take off those you don’t want and let you reassign them. They’ll also raise your Pokemon’s happiness.

Here’s a list of the berries. Each one will lower their corresponding stat by 10 EVs. They’re pretty much the opposite of Vitamins.

Pomeg: -10 Hit Points EVs
Kelpsy: -10 Attack EVs
Qualot: -10 Defense EVs
Hondew: -10 Special Attack EVs
Grepa: -10 Special Defense EVs
Tamato: -10 Speed EVs

One more crucial piece of information about these berries: If a Pokemon already has more than 100 EVs in a stat, then using one of the corresponding berries will reduce the EVs in that stat from whatever they were to 100. After that they each subtract 10 EVs. Thus the largest amount of berries required to clear all Berries off one stat is 11.

tanamon_forever
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tanamon_forever
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:10 pm


A Few Spots To Train For EV's


HP - Shellos/Bidoof - Valley Windworks
Noctowl- Lake Acuity/Lake Valor (night/diamond/pearl only)
Whiscash- Route 205 - North (super rod)
Gastrodon- Route 224
Skuntank- Route 221 (diamond only)

Attack - Machoke- Acuity Lakefront/ Victory Road 1F(diamond/pearl only)
Machoke- Route 226 (platinum only)
Weepinbell- Route 229 (diamond/pearl only)
Gyarados- Route 209 (super rod)
Unown- Solaceon Ruins (also gives one SP attack)
Heracross- Sweet Honey Trees
Mawile- Iron Mountain (also gives defense) (ruby insert)
Zangoose- Route 208 (ruby insert)
Solrock- Lake Verity (ruby insert)
Luxio- Fuego Ironworks
Abomasnow- Mt. Coronet - Snow Area (also gives sp attack)
Camerupt- Route 227 (also gives special attack)

Defense - Graveler/Onix - Iron Mountain
Sandslash- Route 228 (leaf green insert)
Steelix- Victory Road - 2F
Pelipper- Route 224 (surf)
Mawile- Iron Mountain (also gives attack) (ruby insert)
Torkoal- Route 227 (pokeradar)
Bronzong- Turnback Cave (also gives sp defense)
Hippowdon- Route 228
Seadra- Route 226 (super rod) (gives special attack too)
Dusclops- Route 224 (daimond/pearl only pokeradar) Sendoff Spring (platinum only) (gives special defense too)

Speed - Staravia/Pikachu - Trophy Garden
Raticate- Route 225
Fearow- Route 225
Golbat- Victory Road - 1F and 2F
Swellow- Route Route 213 (pokeradar)
Medicham- Route 217 (diamond/pearl only)
Medicham- Mt. Coronet - Snow Area
Floatzel- Route 218
Purugly- Route 222 (pearl only)
Lumineon- Route 218 (super rod)

Special Attack - Gastly/Haunter - Old Chateau
Gloom- Route 230
Golduck- Route 225
Magneton- Victory Road- 2F (platinum only)
Seadra- Route 226 (super rod) (gives defense too)
Flaaffy- Route 222 (pokeradar)
Unown- Solaceon Ruins (also gives one attack)
Girafarig- Valor Lakefront
Camerupt- Route 227 (also gives attack)
Lunatone- Lake Valor (sapphire insert)
Abomasnow- Mt. Coronet - Snow Area (also gives attack)

Special Defense - Tentacruel - Route 223
Lombre- Route 229 (sapphire insert)
Dusclops- Route 224 (daimond/pearl only pokeradar) Sendoff Spring (platinum only) (gives defense too)
Bronzong- Turnback Cave (also gives defense)
Ledian- Route 229 (morning only)
Dewgong- Route 230 (diamond only)
Mr. Mime- Route 222 (diamond only)
Houndoom- Route 215 (pokeradar) (pearl only)
Lombre- 229 (saphire insert)
PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:12 pm


Frequently Asked Questions


Q. I finished my EV Training, got the Ribbon, but when I level up, the amounts that the stats go up is still the same, did I stuff it up?

A. No. This is completely normal. The EVs don’t affect your stats instantly, they affect them at level 100, though that doesn’t mean the last time you level up your Pokemon will get a 127 point boost, the gain is spread over the levels. Unless you did all of your EV Training at level 99.

Q. So does that mean I have to get a Pokemon to level 100 for any EVs to take effect?
A. No, they will have less effect earlier on but the effect will be there. Plus, when you battle on WiFi, you can set the battle to have your Pokemon at level 100, so if you’ve done all the EV training beforehand they’ll be the same then as if you were to raise the Pokemon to level 100 by hand.

Q. Does it matter what I fight after EV training?
A. Nope, all the EVs have been assigned, you’re in no danger of screwing up your EV Spread any more. Battle what you wish to level up your Pokemon now.

Q. I have a Pokemon that already has a bunch of random EVs, is it too late to EV train it now that the spread is screwed up?
A. No, you can use the EV reducing berries. Using enough of the berries will clear the EVs completely and that Pokemon can be retrained, but only if it hasn’t yet reached level 100.

Q. How do I check my Pokemon’s EVs?
A. You don’t. There’s no way to check a Pokemon’s EVs, so you just have to keep a track of what you’re doing. I like to have a plan of the exact process of fulfilling a particular spread before I start. Using the Counter Application on the Poketch helps when you’re battling too, though it resets when you change Poketch Applications or save and turn off your DS.

Q. Are Rare Candies bad?
A. No, the only reason people think Rare Candies are bad is because using them to level up your Pokemon means that Pokemon doesn’t get any EVs. This can be a good thing if you want to get a Pokemon to a higher level before you start EV Training. After EV training, it doesn’t matter anyway.

Q. Do Lucky Eggs affect EV gaining?
A. Nope, not at all.

Q. Will my Pokemon keep their EVs when they evolve?
A. Yes, they will. The only way you’ll lose EVs is via the EV reducing Berries.

Q. When I try to give my Pokemon vitamins, it says that they won’t have any effect, why is this?

A. This could be for either of two reasons. Firstly, you may have already used the maximum amount of vitamins. If that’s not the case, then it’s probably because the stat you’re using vitamins to give EVs to already has 100 EVs. Once a Pokemon has 100 EVs in a stat, it can no longer have that stat’s corresponding vitamin which is why I would suggest using vitamins before you start doing anything else.

Q. Does it matter what level I EV train a Pokemon at?
A. Not unless the Pokemon already has any EVs or is at level 100. Otherwise you can EV train a Pokemon at any evolution at any level and it won’t have any ultimate difference.

Q. Will my Pokemon gain EVs from battling at the Battle Tower?
A. No, your Pokemon will not gain any EVs from battling in the Battle Tower or in matches against other players. Not that battling in the Battle Tower would be a particularly effective way to EV train.

Q. Can I still use the EV Reducing berries after a Pokemon has received the Effort Ribbon?
A. Yes you can, though you will be unable to get another Effort Ribbon to confirm once all EVs have been reassigned.

Source of Guide - Users from www.gamefaqs.com

www.serebii.net/

and special thanks to

Zeymus

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 7:55 am


If I might suggest some HGSS EV training suggested Pokemon?

HP
Hoothoot (Route 29 and many others)
Wooper (Route 32)

Atk
Sentret (Route 29)
Ekans (Route 32)
Bellsprout (Route 31)

Def
Geodude/Onix (Union Cave)

SpAtk
Mareep (Route 32)
Oddish (Ilex Forest)

SpDef
Tentacool/Tentacruel (Surf anywhere)
Ledyba (Route 30 [SoulSilver only])
Hoppip (Route 32)

Spd
Pidgey (Route 29)
Zubat (Route 32 [Night], Union Cave)
Diglett (Diglett Cave)
Magikarp (Fishing [Old Rod])
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