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 Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:48 pm
Is anyone else here in agreement with me that the new Time Lord regeneration scenes are rediculous? Why should there be huge bursts of fire from his body? When 9 died it was understandable- he was getting rid of the energy of the Time Vortex, but then the Master did it! And then 10 did!! Twice!!!
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:53 pm
How was regeneration shown for 1 thru 8?
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:05 pm
In comparison, the first six regenerations were very calm, an easy slide from one body to the other with accompanying light. The regenerations to ten and eleven are very explosive.
However, one can consider, that without the Matrix or any connections through him, or the TARDIS, that these regenerations have no control to them. This might account for the extra energy, as well as the explosive nature.
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:03 pm
Ooh, that's an interesting hypothesis, Cloth Roses.
It also should be noted that 10 was very upset over having to regenerate. I assumed the explosiveness of his regeneration was a side-effect of those feelings brought to the surface since I don't think we've ever seen the Doctor so emotive about regenerating before (if i'm wrong about that, please correct me; I haven't seen all the regenerations yet).
Even 9 was expressing discontent over his having to regenerate; it wasn't anywhere near as obvious as 10, but you could tell he didn't like what was happening through his body language. But unlike 10's situation, 9 had Rose there with him so he put on a brave face about it. Perhaps that's why 9's regeneration wasn't destructive, as if there's some emotional connection to the regeneration process.
The Doctor's been awfully touchy about the subject of his people ever since the Time War. It goes without saying that this event has been a very traumatic experience for 9 and 10. Who's to say this explosive regeneration isn't some sort of psychological effect? He's lost his people, his home, and he keeps losing companions as well. The regenerative process is all about how his current body dies while another body takes his place. You can't possibly expect him to stay calm about that considering what he's been through. So why expect his regenerations to be calm?
Buuut as for the Master. I dunno. ...maybe it was cause he was just so bloody pissed off at having being stuck in that watch for so long xp
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:25 pm
Honestly, I think it's RTD trying to be cool, as usual. He tried so hard to make everything all huge, and epic and whatever, but often, it just ended up being silly (like most of his season finale stories and specials). The only explanation I can think of for the explodey regeneration this time is that he held it in too long. ;P
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:26 pm
Junimaia, yours is kind of extension of my thought process.
True, it could just be RTD being his grand ole self. I mean, one can only imagine how grandiose Torchwood will be now that that's the only thing he'll be focusing on.
Back on topic though. Another theory could be that it's just a sign of his progress through his regenerations.
He has approximately two left, unless someone decides that without the council, the limit no longer exists. So these last two are taking place in the last third of his regenerative cycle. It could be said that these last four signify the golden age of his life span. 'Golden Oldies' if you will.
Therefore, these regenerations are gold, and perhaps they are more explosive because they are too close together, and his reserves are energy are being forced from him.
If regenerative energy were self-aware, the violence of these regenerations could be seen as a protest to the Doctor's dangerous lifestyle.
As for the Master, I noticed his regeneration had silvery tones to it. Past regenerations were silvery, so being that this is a new set of regenerations for the Master, it would make sense for them to be silver. The gold may be The Master forcing the regeneration to do what he wants.
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:26 pm
I'm surprised nobody's brought this up yet.
This may be considered in RTD's defense, but at least it makes sense.
After Ten absorbed the radiation from that machine thing, he told Wilf that it had already started, meaning his death/regeneration. He then postponed it long enough so that he could visit four different groups of people. You can see by the way he's struggling even as he talks to Rose that he's in pain, and after she leaves, he drops pretenses and shows how hard it is for him to even walk to the Tardis.
The amount of time he postponed his regeneration plus the extra radiation still in his body accounts for the extra energy released, which in turn starts to destroy the insides of the Tardis.
All in all, it's a plausible cover-up for the fact that the Tardis is going to have a new interior and they needed a way to work it into the show.
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:31 pm
Cloth Roses He has approximately two left, unless someone decides that without the council, the limit no longer exists. Hate to rain on the parade, but I think the regeneration limit was put into each Timelord at ..whatever their equivalent of birth/conception is, so I think that won't change regardless of who says what now. He's just got to be more careful with his regenerations now, that's all. sweatdrop lol *puts Eleven in big hamster bubble*
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:59 pm
Ceribri Cloth Roses He has approximately two left, unless someone decides that without the council, the limit no longer exists. Hate to rain on the parade, but I think the regeneration limit was put into each Timelord at ..whatever their equivalent of birth/conception is, so I think that won't change regardless of who says what now. He's just got to be more careful with his regenerations now, that's all. sweatdrop lol *puts Eleven in big hamster bubble* Oh, I'd be happy if they kept with the regenerative limit actually. I just always fear that the writers or producers will one day go 'Hey! No Gallifrey! No limit! We can keep this going forever!'
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:57 pm
The purpose of the show's creators is obvious in 10 having such a conflagration of a regeneration. In the context of the show however, it looks stupid for him to take off in the TARDIS & then blow the console room to smithereens in mid-flight. rolleyes Almost as intelligent as that leap through the glass roof to land flat on his face on a hard floor amid shards of glass.
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:54 pm
knightofthe21stcentury Is anyone else here in agreement with me that the new Time Lord regeneration scenes are rediculous? Why should there be huge bursts of fire from his body? When 9 died it was understandable- he was getting rid of the energy of the Time Vortex, but then the Master did it! And then 10 did!! Twice!!! Well, let's think about it. Yes, 9 was understandable. You're right about the Master. I think his regeneration should have been just a glow like with 4. As for 10, he had radiation in his body! Of course there had to be fire! I think they do the same thing so it can have a pattern. It doesn't look so different or so out of place.
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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:54 am
It does make sense that he's getting rid of energy. All 3 times he had been pumped full of the stuff. The Time Vortex, the Dalek gunshot and the radiation. And the Master had also been shot by a laser...
I hope SM will fix it though.
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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:05 am
At least there's continuity, now. Up until the reboot no two regenerations were ever quite the same, even if they were similarish.
I quite like the new regeneration scenes, myself. They're completely ludicrous and over the top but, then, so's the idea itself :/
And who are we kidding? The show will run and run as long as people watch it. They'll just imagine up some get-out clause should the unthinkable happen and we get to regen 13.
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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:36 am
It's space time energy relesed for his morphing........I really don't know but that sounded good right? Right?
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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:29 pm
Ceribri I'm surprised nobody's brought this up yet. (snip) Actually, I did bring it up (minus the radiation part). ;P Eruravenne The only explanation I can think of for the explodey regeneration this time is that he held it in too long. ;P I suppose the radiation could have something to do with it... Let's see, the first one was apparently due to old age, the second was forced by the Time Lords, the third... was due to a lethal dose of radiation. I guess that theory is out. Maybe it has something to do with the Time Lords being gone. Like, they (or some piece of Time Lord technology that's now lost) somehow regulated the regenerations of all the Time Lords to prevent collateral damage. Or, you know, it's RTD trying to be cool. lol... (PS: In case anyone was wondering, the rest of the regenerations are as follows: The fourth was due to a fall from the dish of a telescope thing (indirect murder by the Master), the fifth was due to a lethal dose of poison, the sixth was caused by the Rani attacking the TARDIS (another murder, though possibly accidental), the seventh was another indirect, possibly accidental murder by the Master, this time causing him to be shot by a gang or something, the eighth is a mystery, the ninth was by absorbing the power of the time vortex, and the tenth, of course, was more radiation. The Doctor sure has been through a lot...)
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