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 Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:50 am
I don't understand why people go to Church on the first day/Sunday to worship when we are supposed to gather on the Sabbath/Seventh day/ Saturday. It is explicitly mentioned by the Ten Commandments and the Bible through lots of verses. Let us see more on the Sabbath and Sunday Worship.
Sabbath Day/ Saturday
- The Lord's day
- On a Saturday
- Biblically supported
- A law of God
- The seventh day
- In the Ten Commandments
Sunday Worship
- First day
-not historically supported that Christ died/resurrected on a Sunday, even if He did, it is not a reason to change Sabbath to Sunday, Jesus didn't teach that
-no Biblical records of this commandment
There is not one saying about keeping the Sunday as the Lord's day by the Bible, if anyone can show me that and manages to convince me on that, then consider this as trash.
"In vain do they worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.... Full well [these men know exactly what they are doing] you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your own tradition” (Mark 7:7, 9).
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:11 pm
Factual error:Zarfione "-not historically supported that Christ died/resurrected on a Sunday, even if He did, it is not a reason to change Sabbath to Sunday, Jesus didn't teach that" NASB Mark 16:9 - [Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons. NASB Colossians 2:13-17 - When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him. Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day--things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
Meals in church are discouraged and are to be eaten at home with the exception of the Lord's Supper, which logically would take place on the Lord's day. If you disagree, give me a good reason.NASB 1 Corinthians 11:20-22; 33-34 - Therefore when you meet together, it is not to eat the Lord's Supper, for in your eating each one takes his own supper first; and one is hungry and another is drunk. What! Do you not have houses in which to eat and drink? Or do you despise the church of God and shame those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you? In this I will not praise you. So then, my brethren, when you come together to eat, wait for one another. If anyone is hungry, let him eat at home, so that you will not come together for judgment The remaining matters I will arrange when I come. NASB Acts 20:7 - On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight. NASB 1 Corinthians 10:16-17 - Is not the cup of blessing which we bless a sharing in the blood of Christ? Is not the bread which we break a sharing in the body of Christ? Since there is one bread, we who are many are one body; for we all partake of the one bread.
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:11 pm
Aww, Spike beat me to it mad
According to the "Keep the Sabbath Holy" commandment (excluding the hundreds of sub-laws made by the corrupted old testament/early new testament church), you are not supposed to work on the Sabbath (Saturday). That means if you had a 7-day job or you worked weekends, you would have to quit your job. In a verse that Spike didn't list, Jesus himself forsook the pharisees and told them, "Who among you, if your ox became stuck in a ditch, would not go out and free it on the Sabbath least it perish."
(Spike, excuse me for not giving a direct quote, my computer is starting to act up sweatdrop )
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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:01 pm
I thought the list were very clear on the Saturday part, seems I have to explain it. I apologize though on my errancy on the Sunday part, too much school stuff and late sleep times affected me on this.
Well, I'll admit I was wrong that it was not historically Jesus resurrected on the first day/Sunday. The verses that you quote does not explicitly support the first day.
Who "changed" the date of the Sabbath from the seventh day/Saturday to Sunday? The RCC, it has made many unbiblical doctrines, and this is no exception.
But then while I was looking for some information on the Sabbath(After my computer broke sad ) found that there are some evidence of Sunday Worship. Paul designated the giving of tithes on the first day(Corinthians 16:2) Also, Paul states that Sabbath or any special day are lifted due to Jesus' sacrifice on the cross.
By the way, Mark 16:9 does not say anything about honoring the Lord's day. It just said what day of the week it is that Jesus risen early and what he did.
I did not say that worshipping God should be only done on the Sabbath or what day you would devote the Lord's day too, otherwise you would be no better than a Churchian.
I am not judging anyone according to the Sabbath, I only say what I have seen or heard.
I humbly apologize for all the misunderstandings done, lack of sleep, school and my computer prevented me from researching much.
God bless us all,
Zarfione
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Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 10:29 am
lol, FYI: The Sabbath is still Saturday. According to Biblical law, You weren't even supposed to basically leave you house. Hence, church the day after, when you're allowed to do stuff.
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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 6:44 am
I am well aware of the fact that the Sabbath was on a Saturday.
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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:32 am
Zarfione I am well aware of the fact that the Sabbath was on a Saturday. Oh, I misread your post where you said, "Who 'changed' the date of the Sabbath." My bad sweatdrop
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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:01 pm
The point is we're not claiming the Sabbath has changed, but that the Lord's day takes place on Sunday, so saying the Sabbath is on Saturday doesn't change anything.Zarfione I thought the list were very clear on the Saturday part, seems I have to explain it. Zarfione By the way, Mark 16:9 does not say anything about honoring the Lord's day. It just said what day of the week it is that Jesus risen early and what he did. Zarfione I did not say that worshipping God should be only done on the Sabbath or what day you would devote the Lord's day too, otherwise you would be no better than a Churchian.
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 4:22 pm
you all lost me..... so when and what are we suppose to do. lol
cuz i thought that the Sabbath was just a way of showing that you put God first but you didnt need to lock yourself inside or anything like that.
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 6:32 am
The Sabbath is a day (Biblically supposed to be Saturday) that you do very little else other than praise and admire God. You aren't supposed to work or do anything strenuous unless absolutely necessery. Pharisees/Sadusees (sp? bc lazy) blew it COMPLETELY out of proportion and had a mile-long list of what you can't do. Their list was so inclusive, that virtually ANYHTING you did would break the law....
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Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 7:20 pm
shouldnt every day be God's day? We should glorify God every chance we get....and the answer to ur question is just bcuz its tradition.
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