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 Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 4:28 am
In the finale, who was that lady that kept coming to Wilfred? She was the same lady who covered her eyes. When she showed her face, the Doctor couldn't face against her. Who was she? His mother? That's the only thing I could think of...
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 7:04 am
Davies was kinda confusing about that one...he gave several suggestions then seemed to settle on her being the Mother.
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:08 am
If it ain't canoan I don't believe it. It needs to be proven in the show and no way did she hint she was his Mother, she said she was someone who was lost long ago. Could be Romana, possibly Susan. I was guessing Romana because she would still be part of the Gallifreyian high consle since she was lady president before Rassilon was risen. They should have kept Romana she would of thought a better way out of the Time War.
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:57 am
You say if it isn't canon, you don't believe it, then go on about Romana being the president of Gallifrey, which isn't canon. As far as the show is concerned, Romana is still in e-space. RTD may have said in an interview or something that he agreed with Romana being president, but since he never said it in the show, it's still up in the air for future writers.
Also, Susan stayed on Earth in the future to marry a human. I suppose it's POSSIBLE she went back to Gallifrey after he died or something, but I highly doubt she'd be on the high council. The Gallifreyans strike me as very... uptight people. I don't think they'd think very highly of someone who so blatantly broke their most important rule of non-interference on so many occasions alongside her grandfather (both before and during the show), as well as actually marrying someone from a less advanced species. That's actually similar to the reason why I highly doubt Romana would ever in a million years be accepted as the President of Gallifrey. Instead of going back to Gallifrey as she was told, she went AWOL in e-space, so to speak, for the express purpose of interfering in another species affairs!
Anyway, I'm really kind of annoyed that they didn't explain who that woman was. There was no good reason for it. They should have either made her completely unimportant except that she opposed the Time Lords' plan, or just outright said who she was. In fact, a lot about the Time Lords in that episode annoyed me... It felt like RTD was saying "Nanana, I'm making them all evil and crazy and bringing them back just so they can be gotten rid of again forever so NO ONE ELSE can ever do anything with them again!" but this isn't really the place for that rant.
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 12:10 pm
My husband speculates that the woman was Ten's "white guardian" since she kept showing up in white at Wilf and telling him all these things to protect the Doctor. I refuse to make any assumptions about it though until the writers actually touch upon the subject.
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 12:21 pm
Yeeeeeeah *Scratches head* I'm a hypocrite sometimes...well....most of the time...weelll okay all the time but still! gonk
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 4:21 pm
The main theories I've seen are the Doctor's mother, Donna, or Susan. People are saying she's Donna because when Wilf asked the Doctor who she was, the Doctor looked at Donna. Some people think it's Susan because of that because Donna is Wilf's granddaughter and Susan is the Doctor's. As for it being the Doctor's mother, I know it was mentioned in the commentary that it was her (can't remember who said it though). And then RTD said in the newest edition of The Writer’s Tale: The Final Chapter that is is meant to be his mother. Here's a link that says that. But of course you could believe she was anyone, I know a lot of people have their own canon for the show.
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:25 pm
Defender_Of_Earth_Rose If it ain't canoan I don't believe it. It needs to be proven in the show and no way did she hint she was his Mother, she said she was someone who was lost long ago. Could be Romana, possibly Susan. I was guessing Romana because she would still be part of the Gallifreyian high consle since she was lady president before Rassilon was risen. They should have kept Romana she would of thought a better way out of the Time War. Thank you some one that finally agrees wit me, I hate when people don't follow canon it ticks me off. I really dislike RTD I can't wait till Steve Moffet takes over at least he will stay true to the OG series and not do his own thing as much as RTD did. I Have some respect for RTD for re-starting Doctor Who but I still dislike him alot for going ageist Canon ever series.
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:59 pm
Thowell3 Defender_Of_Earth_Rose If it ain't canoan I don't believe it. It needs to be proven in the show and no way did she hint she was his Mother, she said she was someone who was lost long ago. Could be Romana, possibly Susan. I was guessing Romana because she would still be part of the Gallifreyian high consle since she was lady president before Rassilon was risen. They should have kept Romana she would of thought a better way out of the Time War. Thank you some one that finally agrees wit me, I hate when people don't follow canon it ticks me off. I really dislike RTD I can't wait till Steve Moffet takes over at least he will stay true to the OG series and not do his own thing as much as RTD did. I Have some respect for RTD for re-starting Doctor Who but I still dislike him alot for going ageist Canon ever series. ........... *headdesk*
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:25 am
Well, I can understand it being his mom a little...
But, if she's human, how could she get to Gallifrey?
Unless her hubby stole a TARDIS...
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 12:18 pm
Through the mist we walk... I really hate when people quote cannon TV shows, get all high and mighty about it and then go and mention something from the books or comics.
It's kind of stupid.
@ Thowell3
So what if it is his mother? how does that make it non cannon? and why is that bad of RTD? It's more bad of Steven Moffat seeing as though he had a hand in the writing of the last episode and didn't think it was wrong.
For all we know it could be his brother, mother, grandfather, lover.. it could be anyone and it would still be cannon because no one knows what happened to them and obviously as any fan knows, most time lords live for longer in one re-gen then the doctor does.
It is said (vna) that there was a curse and no more children. But if the children where loomed into the home (Don't know if you know anything about that) then they would still need a mother.
It's really pathetic to start hating on RTD for no reason, it's really stupid to grasp at straws because of it. If anyone would have said in the episode it's his mother then it would have been cannon. But as it is, it's open for debate as it can be changed later on.
So if a writer wants it to be cannon in TV then it is, and seeing as though it fits in with everything else, then it is still cannon and pissing and moaning about it doesn't help. And in the mist we all get lost.
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 2:14 pm
i don't know but that's what i thought too
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 2:16 pm
RTD actually told us who the woman is! But if your just going by the show as "canon" I guess the books written by the show writers don't count for some reason? Or what they say... Well he tells us who she is in The Writers Tale: The Final Chapter
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 2:28 pm
I hate that looming stuff so much... People act like it's a fact when it isn't. Makes me wanna stab something... stare
And no, books written by the show's writers do not count as canon. If they couldn't be bothered to put it in the actual show, then too bad for them.
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