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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:27 pm


User Image image is actually 4x larger.

Outlines, no outlines? tree suggestions? Color suggestions? Current colors are just base colors.

Other comments/critiques?

Thanks biggrin
PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:26 am


Just a composition nitpick but I feel like there should be some foliage or other foreground element in bottom rightish/rightish area. You've got that tree rather near us on the left and it seems like it would balance things out a bit to chuck something in on the right.

As for color I recommend starting with a more neutral base color so you avoid getting too saturated too fast. Keep in mind the most saturated areas are usually those most directly hit by light. Anything in the background or distance should be less vibrant (more towards gray than 100% saturation) since it gives the illusion of depth and prevents the background from distracting us from the foreground or subject.

It'll have to get a hint more towards finished before I can give much other critique.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 7:34 am


Badeye
Just a composition nitpick but I feel like there should be some foliage or other foreground element in bottom rightish/rightish area. You've got that tree rather near us on the left and it seems like it would balance things out a bit to chuck something in on the right.
are you talking about the tree thats only in red right now? That's actually behind the hill. I left out the hill uncolored so far, but that other tree is behind it

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As for color I recommend starting with a more neutral base color so you avoid getting too saturated too fast. Keep in mind the most saturated areas are usually those most directly hit by light. Anything in the background or distance should be less vibrant (more towards gray than 100% saturation) since it gives the illusion of depth and prevents the background from distracting us from the foreground or subject.
my final hope is to get a sunbeam type effect coming from the top left down to about where the rabbit is. So I think that tree on the left is going to be brighter, but thanks for pointing that out, the one on the right does need to be darker.


Do you have any good ideas/methods on how to do more background trees? I dont want to go and draw out each and every single one the further back I go. Maybe make one more row of 4 or so but after that I'd like a nice little cheat method.

And ferns! Hopefully I'll get more done today and get more help / I'll watch my saturation levels, although I want this one to be a bight more than not since I usually choose darker colors.
PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 6:09 am


I'd like to make sure you understand i'm meaning vibrant, saturated color. So like when you get the paint directly from the tube, it's 100% saturation until you mix it with white, black, or a complimentary color. The opposite of a completely vibrant color is gray.
So when you're picking your colors in (photoshop? Painter?):
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Anything in that circled area is going to have very full saturation, whereas the stuff to the left is more neutral.

This is completely optional, but try using the color dropper tool on an actual photograph of trees that look about how you want yours to (as far as color, light) I did a google search and found this one. That's really damn green, right? Really vibrant? Just choose the most bright, most vibrant green areas and then open the color pallet and look at where they are. Chances are even some of the most vibrant places will be more towards the middle than you might think.

So what i'm trying to encourage you to do is avoid the 100% saturation, because at the moment all of your colors are very vibrant and it is going to knock down the impact of the image.
If you look at this image the majority is in shadow and of a fairly neutral vibrancy, especially in the background. That patch of grass where the light is hitting, however, seems so much more vibrant because of it. So you get more impact when you use a large range of vibrancy and values (value means black to white, it's what you think of when you think shading).

As for not painting every individual tree, why not make a block of the leafy color up top and one block of the trunk color below and then sort of scribble in pseudo details? Of course you'd want anything in the background to be lighter in value (closer to white) and less vibrant (closer to gray) than anything in the foreground. It creates an illusion of distance.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 6:48 pm


Ah, i get what your saying. (forgive entire newb sound s**t from this point. I haven't had much in color theory, and what I have been shown/taught was by someone who's English was a second language. And saw no more for at least 4 years) But I want the whole thing to be brighter. Both pictures you showed are darker than what I want my goal to be. The Zelda one is a brilliant piece that has that pop there, and the colors feel more realistic. I dont want realistic colors. This artist and some of her stuff with a feel of her stuff here is kind of my goal.

hmm.... well, for now, I'll pause on coloring things, and then just work on drawing out items. (will probably be done in a color but not as a "this is the color i want it" type of thing.) Now if I can drag myself from my book to do more than one semi-productive thing a day.....

Oh, this is being done is Adobe CS3 photoshop.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 8:13 am


I don't wanna be a s**t, but that thing I suggested about eyedropping the color from photos? Try it on a few of those artists. The second is indeed working in very vibrant colors and relying primarily on value to distinguish things, but both Loish and the first gal are working heavily in neutral tones with just splashes of vibrant color.

I'm not saying you can't use vibrant colors, i'm just saying to represent a space like the one you are painting, things that are further away will indeed look further away if you choose lighter, less vibrant colors, and they will look very close up and distract the eye from your subject if you leave them at full vibrancy.

And yeah I just learned about color theory last year in college. Blew my damn mind right out my skull. Cool stuff biggrin

I'm just nitpicking on something I noticed you doing that could be pretty easily modified, if you don't follow my advice it's no skin off my nose. I do think you oughta at least try it out though and just see what it looks like.

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