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Ishtar Shakti

PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:23 pm


So for my personal project I am creating a Data Mine.
Not sure if everyone is acquainted with the term http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_mining

Pretty much I want to make a servitor which sole purpose is to collect and synthesize data into something that other people can understand. I've already started an energy sink/sieve to collect the data and created some pretty basic pattern recognizing capabilities. I'm going to want some input in a couple of ways

First: I want to know what information people want the servitor to collect. There is alot of information out there and I need to set some basic parameters as to whats important and whats not.

Second: I would like some volunteers to use the servitor so I can test how well its accomplishing the second goal; relating data.

I haven't started working on that yet. I'm only at the initial data collection step, but if I could get some volunteers now that would be wonderful.
PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:25 pm


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Description: The inquirer asks the servitor a question
This will give the servitor parameters with which to collect information. The servitor recognizes patterns so based on the patterns of your words/concepts the servitor tracks down all related information.
It compiles data and sifts through it based on how relevant it is to your query.

The servitor already has a wide range of information with which to work with (as I said I already started the data collection process)

The specifics on how it collects data is based off of the theory off all things being interconnected. The energy which flows through a single point passes through a million other things before it reaches my servitor. While the servitor is not in service it assimilates and tracks the associations that runs through the painting. Its much like the reverse of the butterfly affect. This though is more like a wide general net.

The servitor tracks patterns so when in service if it doesn't already have the data. When it senses something that seems to fit the parameters your specifically inquiring about it will assimilate the information of the situation and all the things which are associated with it to an nth degree of accuracy. (I'm not sure what limits I should put on it yet)

So if you were to ask for the number of people who believe they are angels. It would take the concept of belief that they are angels and try to find people who match that parameter and then develop a general # of how many people believe they are angels.

It would be breaking down your definitions and associations and matching them to external parameters. It would then come back with the information and try to relate to you using concepts you know and understand that specific number.

There are plenty of issues inherent in doing this.

Ishtar Shakti


Ishtar Shakti

PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:33 pm


Reserved for volunteers/feed back
Volunteer Criteria/ What being a volunteer entails
You will have to in some way be open to psychic energy. The servitor will read your energy and will also be collecting information concerning you in order to be able to give you a coherent answer.
You will also be asked to post in the thread the question that you asked and the answers that you have gotten. Or what you perceived the answer to have been.
Volunteers:
Subrosian
Namikikyo
Quote:
I believe I made contact with it, I did everything you asked in the instructions.

The only thing is, I keep feeling a pain on my right arm and I'm receiving headaches. It's very uncomfortable, but I feel as if it's taking information. Almost biting,

First, I asked if my name was Shelby. No answer that I'm aware of.
Then if I was female. No answer that I'm aware of.
And lastly, if my hair was brown. My pain worsened, but still no answer.


I kinda expected a voice in my head, to tell you the truth. xD

I wouldn't base everything on my word, though. Because this could very well just be the power of suggestion and we all know what a b***h that can be.

So I added a bit more to the servitor. I'm pretty sure its done with its first educational phase and seems stable now. I'm teaching it English. Thus it might be able to communicate better. I also stopped it from taking information from people. Pretty much it will only take peripheral information or ask permission and gauge your reactions to get information from you.
PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 1:45 pm


I'd like to volunteer, as a commendation for getting things kicked off with your project already. However, before I do that, I'd like an explanation of what you plan to use volunteers for, exactly. Also, how will your Data Mine Servitor gather data differently than, say, Google?
Can't wait to see what you have in store.

Subrosian
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Namikikyo

PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 2:38 pm


I myself am trying to learn how to make and work with servitors. ((Currently partially stumped on how to bring one to life with the abilities I want it have. Eh.))

I think it would be a fantastic learning experience to work with yours, so I would adore being a volunteer for you project. If you need me, that is.

Also, I very much second Subrosian's questions. ^ ^

I can't wait to see how this blossoms.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 11:48 pm


Information science much?

How do you plan on having your servitor actually mine the data?

I think gathering social data would be kickass. Gathering statistics, finding patterns in behavior, and the like.

I wouldn't be the best to volunteer. I have very little time, besides the fact that my belief in servitors isn't as strong as many others in the guild.

DrasBrisingr


Ishtar Shakti

PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 1:56 am


Subrosian
I'd like to volunteer, as a commendation for getting things kicked off with your project already. However, before I do that, I'd like an explanation of what you plan to use volunteers for, exactly. Also, how will your Data Mine Servitor gather data differently than, say, Google?
Can't wait to see what you have in store.
Well I need volunteers to "talk" to the servitor. The data mine is a spell I've already kinda developed. I've developed spells to gather data before, pretty much it takes whatever is near it and starts creating an association/connotation map. Lets say I placed the data mine in the middle of a park. The things which were closest to it would be broken down and assimilated first. It would break down and rebuild the association between atoms etc. of any item and would give a detailed history of the item. Well the spells I've developed can do this the only problem is that most people including myself can't seem to understand what the hell the spell it telling us. So I have been trying to find a way of making the data easier to understand.

I can only grasp small chunks of the data. The spell is going to be a bit more complicated then that in scope concerning the servitor. I need it to assimilate information pretty quickly and I need to limit the parameters. As if I limited it to telling me about physical things. Also there is an issue with trying to energetically tell people about things that they don't have a pre-existing conceptual framework for.
Its Really difficult... like trying to explain to a blind person what the color blue is. So whatever the servitor is going to relate to people I have to develope a method for it to be able to relate information in such a way that Anyone can understand it.

I decided I am probably going to have the servitor read the people trying to access its information... assimilate the information they have and translate the concepts into something easier to understand.

I haven't completely worked it out But Thats the gist of it.

Collect information and teach people. The harder part is selecting relevant information and also making it so that people can understand it.

Like if I had it interact with a specific person it would map what the person already knew and then break down the information that its gathered and try to incorporate it into the persons conceptual frame work.

This would probably have to be hedged by reducing personal bias. In anycase its a pain in the a** is what it is

@DrasBrising
Is it that obvious?
Statistics might be a good way to limit the information. Stick to numbers and counting rather then trying to work with more difficult concepts. I might try that first before working up a bigger frame work. The only problem would be trying to expand a purely statistical model to encompass other things would be a bit difficult. I think I'll try to lay the foundations for a more complex system and then just perfect a statistical analysis within that.

I mean if lets say you asked how many people were otherkin that would be dependent on your definition of otherkin. Then you would have to move outward to have it identify the population that your working with. It would have to be able to understand what you meant when you were asking it for key phrases.

I'm really hoping to get something thats capable of a less biased observer report
PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 2:01 am


Namikikyo
I myself am trying to learn how to make and work with servitors. ((Currently partially stumped on how to bring one to life with the abilities I want it have. Eh.))

I think it would be a fantastic learning experience to work with yours, so I would adore being a volunteer for you project. If you need me, that is.

Also, I very much second Subrosian's questions. ^ ^

I can't wait to see how this blossoms.


There is a thread currently up in The occult research society on them. Its mostly about coming up with an energy source a form and a personality. Alot of people find it helpful to draw a servitor and think about the attributes while drawing.
I've been creating a painting for a while now that seemed to be lacking something and well this just seemed like a perfect use for it. It fit my interests.

Ishtar Shakti


DrasBrisingr

PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 4:40 pm


Ishtar Shakti
@DrasBrisingr
Is it that obvious?
Statistics might be a good way to limit the information. Stick to numbers and counting rather then trying to work with more difficult concepts. I might try that first before working up a bigger frame work. The only problem would be trying to expand a purely statistical model to encompass other things would be a bit difficult. I think I'll try to lay the foundations for a more complex system and then just perfect a statistical analysis within that.

I mean if lets say you asked how many people were otherkin that would be dependent on your definition of otherkin. Then you would have to move outward to have it identify the population that your working with. It would have to be able to understand what you meant when you were asking it for key phrases.

I'm really hoping to get something thats capable of a less biased observer report

I think the easiest thing would be to write an algorithm for what you want it to do. If you have an array for each individual with an attribute of 1 or 0, it wouldn't be that hard to add different attributes.

Then again, I don't know s**t about servitors. I could help you write the algorithm, but I don't even know if it would work.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 1:04 am


DrasBrisingr
Ishtar Shakti
@DrasBrisingr
Is it that obvious?
Statistics might be a good way to limit the information. Stick to numbers and counting rather then trying to work with more difficult concepts. I might try that first before working up a bigger frame work. The only problem would be trying to expand a purely statistical model to encompass other things would be a bit difficult. I think I'll try to lay the foundations for a more complex system and then just perfect a statistical analysis within that.

I mean if lets say you asked how many people were otherkin that would be dependent on your definition of otherkin. Then you would have to move outward to have it identify the population that your working with. It would have to be able to understand what you meant when you were asking it for key phrases.

I'm really hoping to get something thats capable of a less biased observer report

I think the easiest thing would be to write an algorithm for what you want it to do. If you have an array for each individual with an attribute of 1 or 0, it wouldn't be that hard to add different attributes.

Then again, I don't know s**t about servitors. I could help you write the algorithm, but I don't even know if it would work.

Well I've done similar things and it worked. I'll upload a picture of the painting when I don't feel so feverish.

Ishtar Shakti


Subrosian
Captain

PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 7:52 am


Ishtar Shakti, is "Servitor" the name of your project or would it be something like "Data Mine Servitor"? I want to know what to call it on the OWO'09 thread.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:59 am


Subrosian
Ishtar Shakti, is "Servitor" the name of your project or would it be something like "Data Mine Servitor"? I want to know what to call it on the OWO'09 thread.

Call it a data mine servitor. It can always be edited latter... but just doing a servitor wouldn't really be expending much effort for me. I'll name her at some point

Ishtar Shakti


Ishtar Shakti

PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:12 pm


Does anyone know how to retrieve a picture off a phone?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:19 pm


Ishtar Shakti
Does anyone know how to retrieve a picture off a phone?


What do you mean by "retrieve"?

If it's been deleted from the phone's memory then I have no idea. If you mean how to get a picture off of a phone you can use bluetooth or a USB cable. Rest assured that no mere USB will work; it will have to be one that is designed to fit your phone.

Some phones can do email with attachments. That would seem to me the simplest route if you have that option. If not, bluetooth it to a phone that can if the USB is out of the question.

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Ishtar Shakti

PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 1:56 am


Obscurus
Ishtar Shakti
Does anyone know how to retrieve a picture off a phone?


What do you mean by "retrieve"?

If it's been deleted from the phone's memory then I have no idea. If you mean how to get a picture off of a phone you can use bluetooth or a USB cable. Rest assured that no mere USB will work; it will have to be one that is designed to fit your phone.

Some phones can do email with attachments. That would seem to me the simplest route if you have that option. If not, bluetooth it to a phone that can if the USB is out of the question.

Oh my... I think I will just take a picture with my camera. I had to wait till the end of the semester to get my picture back from the teacher and I kept forgetting to bring the camera with me to campus.
And now I need to get the picture on here
Edit: Uploaded picture
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