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Julri

PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 1:05 am


So, I realized recently that I've never actually met a real Satanist. Actually, I'm not even entirely sure what Satanism is and what Satanists believe. I do know that there are several different kinds of Satanists, but I don't know much about any of the groups. If you are a Satanist, or know a Satanist, or randomly know a lot about Satanism, please fill me in.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 7:03 am



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 7:56 am


Obviously I am not a Satanist, though I used to have an agnostic friend who studied nder Satanism.
He used to talk a lot about how "Satan is just a symbol for man" in Biblical Literature. So Satanism does worship Satan, but only in the process of worshipping man himself.

...I think.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:31 am




Thanks a bunch for posting this. It was very helpful.

Julri


Julri

PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:32 am


Lumanny the Space Jew
Obviously I am not a Satanist, though I used to have an agnostic friend who studied nder Satanism.
He used to talk a lot about how "Satan is just a symbol for man" in Biblical Literature. So Satanism does worship Satan, but only in the process of worshipping man himself.

...I think.


From what I've just read, that does seem to be part of it.
PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:42 pm


Lumanny the Space Jew
Obviously I am not a Satanist, though I used to have an agnostic friend who studied nder Satanism.
He used to talk a lot about how "Satan is just a symbol for man" in Biblical Literature. So Satanism does worship Satan, but only in the process of worshipping man himself.

...I think.
Quite the elegant description! Though other forms do exist.

In "Theistic Satanism", the god of the Old Testament is seen as still the creator, but Satan comes to free us from his perceived despotism, either by his influence or example. One, uh... rare form that pulls from Gnostic Christianity, actually claims Jesus as a Satanic Savior!

The Temple of Set is a Satanic Organization, depending on who you ask. The idea was started in the Church of Satan, (who' beliefs others discussed briefly, but thoroughly) that a Satanic figure was an adversarial element to any religion. Thus, someone who models themselves off of the Norse Loki, the Persian Ahriman, or many others would be a Satanist.

The Temple of Set formed to literally worship Set. It pulls from latter-day Egyptian thought that Set ran counter to Ma'at, thus in support of isfet. Ma'at and isfet are not necessarily good and evil; but ma'at is more balance, something like karma, cosmic order. Isfet is embodied in chaos - not as in disorder, but in something existing as potential.

When Horus and Set fought, Horus lost an eye and Set lost his... "manhood". Horus grew another eye, while Set didn't regenerate. This is an instance of Isfet.

In earlier Egyptian belief, Set was the one charged with keeping "The uncreated one", the literal embodiment of isfet, at bay. Isfet is the closest thing the Egyptians had to "evil" as we would understand it today.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:05 pm


Lumanny the Space Jew
Obviously I am not a Satanist, though I used to have an agnostic friend who studied nder Satanism.
He used to talk a lot about how "Satan is just a symbol for man" in Biblical Literature. So Satanism does worship Satan, but only in the process of worshipping man himself.

...I think.


That's only one type of Satanism, called Laveyan. There's Luciferian Satanism, where they do worship the Biblical Lucifer.

Edit: If I'm wrong, please correct me? biggrin
PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:16 pm


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That's only one type of Satanism, called Laveyan. There's Luciferian Satanism, where they do worship the Biblical Lucifer.

Edit: If I'm wrong, please correct me? biggrin


I am also familiar with LaVeyan Satanism...A bit more of a hedonistic lifestyle than a religion, imo.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:26 am


Conan The Barbie Doll


That's only one type of Satanism, called Laveyan. There's Luciferian Satanism, where they do worship the Biblical Lucifer.

Edit: If I'm wrong, please correct me? biggrin

I am but a servant...

Leveyan Satanism (or Atheistic Satanism really) is only one type of Satanism. Then there is of course Theistic Satan where they worship the embodiment of Satan (which is NOT Lucifer) and then there is Luciferianism which is the worshiping of Lucifer and Lilith in an attempt to reach gnostic wisdom. Then there is the slanderous attempt at Satanism that is Micheal Ford that he calls Luciferianism, but it's really not. And therefore, I hate him...

There are some Luciferians that identify themselves as Satanists, and others that do not. Many, however, see Lucifer as either the "Light" side of Satan whilst others do not share this view at all and see Satan and Lucifer as two totally different beings.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:17 pm


Illuminati, anyone?

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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 8:02 pm


Conan The Barbie Doll
Lumanny the Space Jew
Obviously I am not a Satanist, though I used to have an agnostic friend who studied nder Satanism.
He used to talk a lot about how "Satan is just a symbol for man" in Biblical Literature. So Satanism does worship Satan, but only in the process of worshipping man himself.

...I think.


That's only one type of Satanism, called Laveyan. There's Luciferian Satanism, where they do worship the Biblical Lucifer.

Edit: If I'm wrong, please correct me? biggrin
Satanists as formed by the late Anton Lavey do not recognize any other group as being satanists and instead view them as neo-pagans or monotheists. The closest thing to an existing "satanist" prior to satanism is the Yezidis who are technically still monotheists.

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DI-Ethan

PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 2:44 pm


Lumanny the Space Jew
Obviously I am not a Satanist, though I used to have an agnostic friend who studied nder Satanism.
He used to talk a lot about how "Satan is just a symbol for man" in Biblical Literature. So Satanism does worship Satan, but only in the process of worshipping man himself.

...I think.

Satan is a symbol for the "negative" urges in man, certain Satanists believe that they are their own Gods.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:04 pm


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Lumanny the Space Jew
Obviously I am not a Satanist, though I used to have an agnostic friend who studied nder Satanism.
He used to talk a lot about how "Satan is just a symbol for man" in Biblical Literature. So Satanism does worship Satan, but only in the process of worshipping man himself.

...I think.

Satan is a symbol for the "negative" urges in man, certain Satanists believe that they are their own Gods.
I wouldn't call them negative urges. Natural, animal urges maybe.
The clearest way for me to think about it is to compare it to Freud. Satanism is the Id, Christianity is the Superego.

That is, Satanism allows its followers to act on their desires without guilt or repression. It embraces our "sinful" emotions. As atheists (LaVeyan Satanists must be atheist), why should we believe that we should be ashamed of them? It's the Id.
Christianity, the Superego, tells us that we should be ashamed of not only sinful action but the thought of sinful action as well. It tells us to like according to the ideal of society's rules and punishes us when we stray from them. It's a catch 22. It keeps us in line, at least according to society/ religion's rules, but it keeps us in a constant state of guilt. It forces us to repress natural human thoughts.

Morals and structure aside, I personally think that LaVeyan Satanism is more healthy than most religions because I believe most religions encourage too much repression. I don't agree with Freud on many things, but I do agree with him that too much repression is bad for people.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:19 pm


Fallen Shemyaza
Illuminati, anyone?


realy? nobody jumped on this yet?

the Illuminati are various HERMETIC Occulti groups, whom primarilly have a Judeo-Christian based Faith. xd they tend to consider Satan as evil as any Christian does!
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