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DO you believe you must be part of a gardenian coven to be wiccan?
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  I'm not sure, I would have to see facts.
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Neamhain Riona
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:17 am


I would like your view on wicca.

As most of you know, that they're people out there that say ( and they are correct ) that you must be in a Gardenian coven and have lineage to call yourself a Wiccan.

How many of you believe this,why?

How many of you believe that you can be a solitary wiccan? Why do you believe that and do you have facts to support your reason?
 
PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:39 am


Well first, I do not believe in that you have to be part of any coven or have any lineage to be a Wiccan. That sounds so tv based. I don't think any religion that is less than, oh what is it?, less than 200 years old at this point has the right to make any such demands. It is supposed to be a rejuvenation and remake in a way of ancient paganism.

Underworld Priestess
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Sky Raven Moon

PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:39 am


I have heard these arguements before that one cannot be wicca without being in a Gardenian coven. Wicca has become a broad label that has many sub-catagories whether the Garenian Wiccan like it or not. There are many sub-catagory labels that seem to fall under wicca. Some of these catagories are pagan, neo-pagan, witch, solitary wiccan, wiccan, druid, neo-druid, shaman and so on. The labels keep on going. Before I label myself, I would like to explain and question some aspects of this arguement.

The reason why some people state that they are wiccan is because it is short and sweet. The other catagories need an explanation while wiccan is known by the common joe.

There are many types of wiccan covens. We have the Alexandrian Wicca which is simular to Gardenian Wicca. We have the Dianic Wicca which has two different branches within itself. We have Celtic Wicca which is also known as church of Wicca. And last but not least, we have Georgian Wicca which seems to use Alexandrian material. Each one of these wiccan religions have their own coven. Remeber I said religion not faith. A religion is definite differently than faith or belief. Religion comes with all its dogmas. It is the practice and rituals of that religion. While a faith or belief, one does not have the dogmas of the rituals and practices because that stays within the covenant like any other religion. One can have a belief and faith in wicca with being in a covenant. So, how do we help the ones that want to join wicca as a religion? What if you want to be wiccan but there are no lineage coven in your area? Does that mean that person cannot practice wiccan or anything else? What would be that person's solution?

Then we run into another problem. Gardenian did not exist until the 20th century. What happened to the lineage that has been passed down and practiced in families for centuries? Do we say that they are for not because they are not part of the Gardenian society? Are we saying that what is pass down and practiced in secret by these families throughout the centuries is wrong because the Gardenians say so?

As for I, I come from a family lineage that has been passed down and practiced in secret for centuries. Just like my ancestors, I teach my children these ways because it is part of our heritage passed down from generation to generation.

As for a label, I feel I cannot find a fit. Some say I'm a witch. Others say I walk the shaman path. I do not declare myself wiccan for Gardiner created wicca. Can I say I'm pagan? Probably yes. Do I walk a shaman's path? Yes, I do. Do I know the old ways of the craft? Yes. Does that make me a witch? Maybe I am. Whatever my label shall be, I walk the path that the spirits guide me upon.

Each person walks a different path. It does not matter what ones label is or shall be because that path is unique to that individual. A label is just that; a label. For the ones that want to be true wiccans, there has to be a way to help in finding a lineage covenant for you or some type of solution.  
PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:40 am


As for the solitary part, I think that anyone can be as long as they have the knowledge and right materials. At this time, I don't have many facts to back myself up because I am not Wiccan and have not put too much study into it.

Underworld Priestess
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Underworld Priestess
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:44 am


Sky Raven is right. It has been awhile since I read all the different categories of Wicca and I just could not remember them.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:27 am


celticfireguardian
As for the solitary part, I think that anyone can be as long as they have the knowledge and right materials. At this time, I don't have many facts to back myself up because I am not Wiccan and have not put too much study into it.


I think you are correct in that one can be a solitary wiccan with the right knowledge and material. The only thing that stands between a solitary wiccan and a wiccan is that the wiccan has a religion part, while the solitary is more eclectic. The Gardenian Wiccans are right in that their rituals are not publicly known but I see that as part of their religion and dogmas than their beliefs. If someone wants to be a true gardenian wiccan then yes, they would have to join that religion like any other religion.

I'm like you. I thought that wicca was trying to bring back the anicent ways of paganism. Instead, it seems that it took a turn and became like the rest a religion with their own rules.

Sky Raven Moon


Neamhain Riona
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:36 am


Wow, I don't even have to say much. Sky got it all. Thanks! ><

A friend of mine, is a herditary witch. ( Not wiccan) Her path is germanic based. Her mother/grandmother were german witches, and so on and so forth.

Then we have those people that claim they are herditary. I know one, but she is just one huge fluff.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:50 am


I have friends that are like me and wow the power when we are together is amazing. Like you, I have met the ones that claim to be but are really fluffs.

Sky Raven Moon

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