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 Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:36 pm
Why does age have to matter if you're in a religion? What if you are 12 and you know alot about the religion you're apart of? If you a 12 year old know more than an adult. Age shouldn't matter as long as you know what you're talking about...Don't Cha Think?
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:43 pm
Age doesn't have a lot to do with religion. Age mostly has its place with Mental Development. A person who is twelve cannot think as rationally about the same topic as someone who is, say, 35. This is obviously because the older you get, the more wise you become. Not necessarily smarter, but more wise.
As for religion, I don't think a younger person would have as much actual understanding of the religion as someone older (assuming of course that the older person is not ignorant about the subject).
That's where a lot of people mess up on this logic. They say "Oh, well, I know 40 year olds that don't know s**t about this or that." Yes, this is true. The adult has to be educated about the subject at hand in order for them to really count as a comparison.
Take a 12 year old that does nothing but studies Christianity in all of their free time. Now, take a 40 year old that does the same. Clearly, the 40 year old will have a much more well-rounded, intelligent, insightful understand of the religion than a 12 year old. Hell, the average american 12 year old does not learn enough in school to understand half the words and hidden meanings in the bible. That alone is an automatic win for the 40 year old if they went through school.
So my point is, age really doesn't have anything to do with a person's beliefs, but it affects their over-all mentality which affects how they view things.
However, their opinions are just as important as anyone's (within said religion).
But honestly, I think children should not be exposed to religions until they are actually old enough to understand the religion. Just because religion is a very cruel thing, and can cause a lot of harm if the maturity isn't well developed. Religious Intolerance. It destroys buildings and thousands of lives everyday.
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 8:21 pm
moon_the_angel_of_hell Why does age have to matter if you're in a religion? What if you are 12 and you know alot about the religion you're apart of? If you a 12 year old know more than an adult. Age shouldn't matter as long as you know what you're talking about...Don't Cha Think? I take it you're talking about my questions in the Wicca thread right?
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:37 pm
~Ichigo_Pie~ Age doesn't have a lot to do with religion. Age mostly has its place with Mental Development. A person who is twelve cannot think as rationally about the same topic as someone who is, say, 35. This is obviously because the older you get, the more wise you become. Not necessarily smarter, but more wise. As for religion, I don't think a younger person would have as much actual understanding of the religion as someone older (assuming of course that the older person is not ignorant about the subject). That's where a lot of people mess up on this logic. They say "Oh, well, I know 40 year olds that don't know s**t about this or that." Yes, this is true. The adult has to be educated about the subject at hand in order for them to really count as a comparison. Take a 12 year old that does nothing but studies Christianity in all of their free time. Now, take a 40 year old that does the same. Clearly, the 40 year old will have a much more well-rounded, intelligent, insightful understand of the religion than a 12 year old. Hell, the average american 12 year old does not learn enough in school to understand half the words and hidden meanings in the bible. That alone is an automatic win for the 40 year old if they went through school. So my point is, age really doesn't have anything to do with a person's beliefs, but it affects their over-all mentality which affects how they view things. However, their opinions are just as important as anyone's (within said religion). But honestly, I think children should not be exposed to religions until they are actually old enough to understand the religion. Just because religion is a very cruel thing, and can cause a lot of harm if the maturity isn't well developed. Religious Intolerance. It destroys buildings and thousands of lives everyday. You do realize that you posted something that marks you a hypocrit? this whole time both of youre arguments against me have had to do with my age and the lack of sites and so forth ? you just said that age has nothing to do with it so long as the young person has studied up on what there talking about ive spent the last six years learning about my religion and practicing it so how do i not fit in with that definition?
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:21 am
XxXTemporary_IllusionXxX ~Ichigo_Pie~ Age doesn't have a lot to do with religion. Age mostly has its place with Mental Development. A person who is twelve cannot think as rationally about the same topic as someone who is, say, 35. This is obviously because the older you get, the more wise you become. Not necessarily smarter, but more wise. As for religion, I don't think a younger person would have as much actual understanding of the religion as someone older (assuming of course that the older person is not ignorant about the subject). That's where a lot of people mess up on this logic. They say "Oh, well, I know 40 year olds that don't know s**t about this or that." Yes, this is true. The adult has to be educated about the subject at hand in order for them to really count as a comparison. Take a 12 year old that does nothing but studies Christianity in all of their free time. Now, take a 40 year old that does the same. Clearly, the 40 year old will have a much more well-rounded, intelligent, insightful understand of the religion than a 12 year old. Hell, the average american 12 year old does not learn enough in school to understand half the words and hidden meanings in the bible. That alone is an automatic win for the 40 year old if they went through school. So my point is, age really doesn't have anything to do with a person's beliefs, but it affects their over-all mentality which affects how they view things. However, their opinions are just as important as anyone's (within said religion). But honestly, I think children should not be exposed to religions until they are actually old enough to understand the religion. Just because religion is a very cruel thing, and can cause a lot of harm if the maturity isn't well developed. Religious Intolerance. It destroys buildings and thousands of lives everyday. You do realize that you posted something that marks you a hypocrit? this whole time both of youre arguments against me have had to do with my age and the lack of sites and so forth ? you just said that age has nothing to do with it so long as the young person has studied up on what there talking about ive spent the last six years learning about my religion and practicing it so how do i not fit in with that definition?
Actually, I believe her point would be that you, even having studied up, would not have the mentality and understanding as someone 10 years older that has ALSO studied up. She said age doesn't matter in your beliefs, but in your mentality, and ultimately, comprehension.
"Take a 12 year old that does nothing but studies Christianity in all of their free time. Now, take a 40 year old that does the same. Clearly, the 40 year old will have a much more well-rounded, intelligent, insightful understand of the religion than a 12 year old."
You see here? How she says if the 12 year old does nothing but study it, then the 40 year old that does the same would still, understand it much better? And that is despite how much the 12 year old has studied it!
Honestly, from the few little random things you have said about your religion, it sounds completely made up, but that's just my opinion. If you believe it, you believe it, and others should just ignore it, rather then make such a big deal about it arguing with you. Still, coming in here and calling her a hypocrite with incorrect comprehension backing you up, really makes her point more then anything else.
That is of course, assuming I interpreted correctly ;D
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:23 am
Omg A Name XxXTemporary_IllusionXxX ~Ichigo_Pie~ Age doesn't have a lot to do with religion. Age mostly has its place with Mental Development. A person who is twelve cannot think as rationally about the same topic as someone who is, say, 35. This is obviously because the older you get, the more wise you become. Not necessarily smarter, but more wise. As for religion, I don't think a younger person would have as much actual understanding of the religion as someone older (assuming of course that the older person is not ignorant about the subject). That's where a lot of people mess up on this logic. They say "Oh, well, I know 40 year olds that don't know s**t about this or that." Yes, this is true. The adult has to be educated about the subject at hand in order for them to really count as a comparison. Take a 12 year old that does nothing but studies Christianity in all of their free time. Now, take a 40 year old that does the same. Clearly, the 40 year old will have a much more well-rounded, intelligent, insightful understand of the religion than a 12 year old. Hell, the average american 12 year old does not learn enough in school to understand half the words and hidden meanings in the bible. That alone is an automatic win for the 40 year old if they went through school. So my point is, age really doesn't have anything to do with a person's beliefs, but it affects their over-all mentality which affects how they view things. However, their opinions are just as important as anyone's (within said religion). But honestly, I think children should not be exposed to religions until they are actually old enough to understand the religion. Just because religion is a very cruel thing, and can cause a lot of harm if the maturity isn't well developed. Religious Intolerance. It destroys buildings and thousands of lives everyday. You do realize that you posted something that marks you a hypocrit? this whole time both of youre arguments against me have had to do with my age and the lack of sites and so forth ? you just said that age has nothing to do with it so long as the young person has studied up on what there talking about ive spent the last six years learning about my religion and practicing it so how do i not fit in with that definition?
Actually, I believe her point would be that you, even having studied up, would not have the mentality and understanding as someone 10 years older that has ALSO studied up. She said age doesn't matter in your beliefs, but in your mentality, and ultimately, comprehension.
"Take a 12 year old that does nothing but studies Christianity in all of their free time. Now, take a 40 year old that does the same. Clearly, the 40 year old will have a much more well-rounded, intelligent, insightful understand of the religion than a 12 year old."
You see here? How she says if the 12 year old does nothing but study it, then the 40 year old that does the same would still, understand it much better? And that is despite how much the 12 year old has studied it!
Honestly, from the few little random things you have said about your religion, it sounds completely made up, but that's just my opinion. If you believe it, you believe it, and others should just ignore it, rather then make such a big deal about it arguing with you. Still, coming in here and calling her a hypocrite with incorrect comprehension backing you up, really makes her point more then anything else.
That is of course, assuming I interpreted correctly ;D
you did ^^ thank you so much. If I had quoted him saying point made, work on reading comprehension, he wouldn't have understood. XD and at that, my argument against him wasn't his age, that was alaois. The only time I mentioned his age was to point out he lied to us =/ I don't like being lied to. I won't waste my time on liars.
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:14 pm
Oh okay i admit i read that to fast
And there is no way for you to prove that im lying
Just ******** ignore me if you dont want to engage in civilized conversation
If you want to call my religion flase and say im yanking youre chains then let me tell you this if my religion is flase, whats to stop anyone from realizing that if one religion is not real, then how many others are not
ill believe what i want to believe, but i will NEVER slink away like a scared dog when people are bashing me and my beliefs
If you want i can have some fun by bashing back at you guys, it should prove interesting if you actually want me to dredge up stuff on youre beleifs so that i can make valid arguments against youre religions (something that both of you need to do, youre bashing ym religion with nothing to back youre arguments)
Let me ask you this, how the hell is a 13 year old kid suppsoed to come up with an entire hierarchy and a religion in only 4 and a half years, thats impossible even for someone who is now eighty and has tried to do that there whole life
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 3:00 pm
XxXTemporary_IllusionXxX Let me ask you this, how the hell is a 13 year old kid suppsoed to come up with an entire hierarchy and a religion in only 4 and a half years, thats impossible even for someone who is now eighty and has tried to do that there whole life not really, take Hubbard for example (who created Scientology) it took him only a few years to develop an entire religion out of nothing...really.
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 5:28 pm
XxXTemporary_IllusionXxX Oh okay i admit i read that to fast And there is no way for you to prove that im lying Just ******** ignore me if you dont want to engage in civilized conversation If you want to call my religion flase and say im yanking youre chains then let me tell you this if my religion is flase, whats to stop anyone from realizing that if one religion is not real, then how many others are not ill believe what i want to believe, but i will NEVER slink away like a scared dog when people are bashing me and my beliefs If you want i can have some fun by bashing back at you guys, it should prove interesting if you actually want me to dredge up stuff on youre beleifs so that i can make valid arguments against youre religions (something that both of you need to do, youre bashing ym religion with nothing to back youre arguments) Let me ask you this, how the hell is a 13 year old kid suppsoed to come up with an entire hierarchy and a religion in only 4 and a half years, thats impossible even for someone who is now eighty and has tried to do that there whole life Omg A Name Honestly, from the few little random things you have said about your religion, it sounds completely made up, but that's just my opinion. If you believe it, you believe it, and others should just ignore it, rather then make such a big deal about it arguing with you.
AND I find your last statement rather interesting:
"Let me ask you this, how the hell is a 13 year old kid suppsoed to come up with an entire hierarchy and a religion in only 4 and a half years"
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but that sounds like you are saying that YOU cam up with this religion? When by the other things you have said, that didn't seem to be the case. Such as when you spoke of how it is secret and you are oath bound or some such, to not reveal much about it, and that it is secret, but does spread, if slowly?
Otherwise, why would a 13 year old kid have to come up with an entire hierarchy and a religion that should already be settled by the time you became a part of it?
Now you sound contradictory.
And, considering I am agnostic, I doubt you can bash my beliefs without trying to convert me, which, I don't believe you are able to even attempt, with being unable to talk about your religion and all.
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:24 pm
no, ichigio and alaois are saying i made it up and iw as asking them how a 13 year old kid is supposed to create a religion when as they said, i dont even have the mind set and so forth of an adult >.>
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:28 pm
XxXTemporary_IllusionXxX no, ichigio and alaois are saying i made it up and iw as asking them how a 13 year old kid is supposed to create a religion when as they said, i dont even have the mind set and so forth of an adult >.>
Ah, I see. Then again, we don't even know if your religion HAS all of that. You won't tell us. Because your not allowed to. Yet, you tell us some things anyway because you seem to feel the need to talk about that which your not allowed to.
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:36 pm
im not allowed to tell you about the correct names, locations, books and so forth that involve my religion
Anything else is acceptable, no one has asked me very much though which is why you think im being sketchy
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:40 pm
XxXTemporary_IllusionXxX let me tell you this if my religion is flase, whats to stop anyone from realizing that if one religion is not real, then how many others are not He FINALLY gets it. I do not believe in ANY religious deity being real. I believe in the possibility of a higher power. But I believe that all religions are made up by it's followers to give them reason and meaning in life. Religion is a security blanket to it's followers. Nothing more than what the followers make it. Kind of like how American money isn't worth more or less than what the government says. Its only because the government says its worth this much that it is that way.
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:43 pm
XxXTemporary_IllusionXxX no, ichigio and alaois are saying i made it up and iw as asking them how a 13 year old kid is supposed to create a religion when as they said, i dont even have the mind set and so forth of an adult >.> we were saying this because you REFUSED to back up your claims and were saying you were allowed to divulge information about it, yet you were doing so. We at first did not say it was made up. We agreed it was false once you refused to back yourself up saying "I know I'm right, I don't have to prove anything to you" which is exactly what someone who had no proof would say. If you have proof it is real why hide it? It would have gotten us off your back a lot sooner and we would have been a lot nicer and accepting about it. But when someone claims its a secret and is treason to speak of it, then a read flag goes up saying ITS FAKE. This is how logic works.
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:45 pm
XxXTemporary_IllusionXxX im not allowed to tell you about the correct names, locations, books and so forth that involve my religion Anything else is acceptable, no one has asked me very much though which is why you think im being sketchy funny how it went from "I'm not allowed to talk about my religion" to "I'm not allowed to disclose particular elements"
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