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 Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:35 am
Ok now this is a big one. Do you all think its a sin to marry a different race, or just a sin to marry some one of different color?
I don't think its a sin. I think what the bible is talking about is different beliefs, and lifestyles. Even religions.
In bible times people migrated all the time, and married different races. I mean it started with Adam and Eve. So through history every one is actually from the same race if you think of it this way haha.
If people never married different races..we wouldn't exist.
WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK?
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:09 am
I believe people should be able to marry any one as long as there is legal consent. Seeing as love should be the precursor to marriage, yes I think it is absolutely fine to marry someone out of your race, religion, etc. I mean you aren't going to love someone and then go "Oh you're a different race so I won't marry you" and then just stop loving them. Its all about love and like I said before, as long as there is consent, marriage should be allowed. For example, I draw the line at adults marrying children or humans marrying animals because children and animals cannot give consent. I cannot say if marrying outside your race or creed is a 'sin' ,however, because I don't apply that word to life or read the Bible.
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Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 1:33 pm
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"Since your speaking about these things in reference to the Bible, I will give my interpretation of Biblical answers for this.
It is not sinful for two different races/colored people to marry. What is sinful is for men to be with men and woman to be with woman, as it is against God to do so. (For clarification, I'm not saying that homosexual people are more sinful than I am. In God's eyes, a sin is a sin no matter which it is. I also believe that if a person is homosexual it can be overcome, just as any other sin. If I am a thief, with God I can overcome this sin. So it is that a homosexual person can overcome their sin with God.)
The Bible says to not be unequally yoked, and some people will see that vierse -- located in 1 Corinthians, I think -- and they see that in the old testament that there people were not to marry people from a difference race.
This is was because back then, if you were Egyptian, you believed in Egyptian gods, and so forth. Thus, they would be unequally yoked.
Today, this does not happen, If I am from China or whatever it does not necessarily mean that I am a Buddhist.
Now, I believe there is another answer to this question that can be explained Biblicly (sp) with scientific backup. Let us take, for example, wolves. Nearly all scientists agree on the fact that every dog can be traced back to a wolf ancestry. If you were to take 50 different dog kinds and stuck them all on an island and did not interfere, they would revert back to something very similar to wolves. Creationists believe that this is because Noah took wolves onto the ark (because of the great flood, God wanted Noah to take one of every animal. This does not mean one of every species of animal). Thus, all dogs have wolf DNA within them.
Humans can be viewed as having the same sort of thing. Adam and Eve held all of the DNA for mankind. Out of them comes all races and character traits. How can it be wrong to marry someone with a different skin colour when Adam and Eve are our ancestors, who held every trait that any human could possibly have?
Hm... so my fingers are getting cold and its hard to type, so I'm gonna leave it here and pick up later if anyone wants me to lol.
Hope all this made sense, cuz I didn't proof read it XD"
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Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 1:46 pm
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I didn't really get your point;
You don't have anything against homosexuals, but you don't want them to marry?
Or something else?
When I say you I mean also the bible, but specifically you.
Or is it the same?
(I'm sorry, maybe I didn't understand 'cause english is not my first language >.<)
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Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 1:53 pm
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"I don't have anything against homosexuals, I know quite a number that are really nice people.
I'm just saying that according to the Bible, the action of homosexuality is wrong, even though the person might be generally good. Read Romans 1 for clarification on this.
It's not just my opinion, it's what the Bible says. Homosexual actions are sinful."
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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 12:42 am
ankiannabar Now, I believe there is another answer to this question that can be explained Biblicly (sp) with scientific backup. Let us take, for example, wolves. Nearly all scientists agree on the fact that every dog can be traced back to a wolf ancestry. If you were to take 50 different dog kinds and stuck them all on an island and did not interfere, they would revert back to something very similar to wolves. Quote: Humans can be viewed as having the same sort of thing. Adam and Eve held all of the DNA for mankind. Out of them comes all races and character traits. How can it be wrong to marry someone with a different skin colour when Adam and Eve are our ancestors, who held every trait that any human could possibly have? Somewhere a biology teacher is crying himself to sleep.
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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 6:33 am
Laroka, just for you, you've opened up a can of worms. Telling you that now.
Ankiannabar...
You have not stated whether or not you are against gay marriage. All you keep doing is going right back to throwing the bible in our faces. By pushing the bible at us, you're hiding behind it. Not giving us your true beliefs. Do you believe in gay marriage? Yes you've stated that you think different races and religions have every right to marry.
But when it comes to "homosexuals" (which can tend to be offending, without the intention of being offending...) you just revert back to your bible teachings. I realize that you might be uncomfortable talking about it, as you were raised a good Christian girl, but you're leaving it dangling in the air that you are against it. And to me--maybe just to me, I don't know--it seems that you unintentionally come off as...Well predjudice.
Then again that's just me.
I'm not trying to start a fight, but you're not stating how you FEEL. You just keep stating what the bible says. You're not telling us if you agree with the bible on the matter of gay marriage or not. You just keep saying, that the bible says it's a sin.
If you think it's a sin. Say so. We get it that the bible says it's a sin, we do. We were all born with knowing that the bible says gay marriage is a sin. We weren't all born knowing what you think.
Let us know.
And just to let you know, you can't overcome being gay. It's not an affliction, it's who you are. Sorry to tell you that. I've known too many people who have tried and ended up hurting themselves in the process.
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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 2:49 pm
dixieboy ankiannabar Now, I believe there is another answer to this question that can be explained Biblicly (sp) with scientific backup. Let us take, for example, wolves. Nearly all scientists agree on the fact that every dog can be traced back to a wolf ancestry. If you were to take 50 different dog kinds and stuck them all on an island and did not interfere, they would revert back to something very similar to wolves. Quote: Humans can be viewed as having the same sort of thing. Adam and Eve held all of the DNA for mankind. Out of them comes all races and character traits. How can it be wrong to marry someone with a different skin colour when Adam and Eve are our ancestors, who held every trait that any human could possibly have? Somewhere a biology teacher is crying himself to sleep.
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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 5:19 pm
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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 5:35 pm
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"Half of this post is quoting PhoenixHenkan's last post, so don't be intimidated haha
@PhoenixHenkan:
I am a Christian, and since Laroka was talking about sin, which is a Biblical term, and since she talked about the Bible, so am I.
Since I am a Christian I believe what God's word, the Bible, says. Contrary to your belief that I grew up as a good little Christian girl, I wasn't. I grew up in a home that was divided: a Christian mom and a not-really-Christian dad who was actually abusive. I learned from him, and as such I was an angry, violent, and racist child. My mom and dad separated, and then I was taught by my mom that God is real, but by no means was I "indoctrinated". I was taught these things but was told it is my choice and I don't need to make it right now. I was always a generally bad kid, and got into a lot of bad things, including breaking and entering, hot wiring and stealing cars, etc. I didn't believe in God until I was 14 and I chose to do so because it was logical, not because of how I felt. So, please do not make assumptions about people that are biased or uneducated. You could have simply asked be if I grew up Christian. I did not.
"You have not stated whether or not you are against gay marriage. All you keep doing is going right back to throwing the bible in our faces. By pushing the bible at us, you're hiding behind it. Not giving us your true beliefs. Do you believe in gay marriage? Yes you've stated that you think different races and religions have every right to marry. "
I personally believe that God is the absolute truth. So I believe the Bible. If you don't that's your choice. We're just discussing, I never said you have to believe it.
The Bible says that man was made for man and woman for woman, and that man will leave his family to be united with woman and they will be one (marriage). This is all found in Genesis, for reference sake. So then, it is against the nature of things in accordance of how God created them to be homosexual, which is not an offensive term, it is just the correct one.
"I realize that you might be uncomfortable talking about it..."
Again, another assumption. I am not uncomfortable talking about anything with anyone. I do not "hide" behind the Bible because I cower when asked about things like these. I resort to the Bible because I believe it to be truth. Again, I never asked you to believe this.
"And just to let you know, you can't overcome being gay. It's not an affliction, it's who you are. Sorry to tell you that. I've known too many people who have tried and ended up hurting themselves in the process."
I beg to differ. I know many people who, through God's grace, have turned away from this sin. I know some people will say "then they weren't really homosexual," but that's not for anyone but themselves to state if they really were or not, right? Actually, one man is now a pastor.
You said that you know people who ended up hurting themselves in the process of trying to not be homosexual. But I never said overcoming sin is easy, and I never said that it was painless. Letting go of something your used to, or letting go of something you like, is never easy or painless
Lastly, you said, "Yes you've stated that you think different races and religions have every right to marry."
I never said that. I said races. I said, in relation to Laroka's post, that sometimes people read the Bible and think that God is against inter-racial marriage because He told His people to not marry from this country or that country. But the reason for this was because the religion that the people of those nations hold. You cannot marry someone of a different religion than you because you will constantly have a conflict of interests and morals, and will never grow spiritually together.
I actually only touched on the homosexuality issue to make a point. I didn't mean for it to start a separate debate. Sorry Laroka =P
Also, I understand that the people who do not believe the Bible as truth will not agree with me on several issues. That's fine, I never asked them to believe me =P Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and since mine comes from a Christian perspective, you can bet your bottom dollar that I'll mention it, just as everyone else would mention their opinion on issues.
And PhoenixHenkan, don't worry about long posts =P It's a discussion forum so those are expected lol.
So for those who are having a hard time connecting the dots: I'm against homosexual and religious marriage, but not inter-racial marriage."
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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 5:43 pm
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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 5:51 pm
Scientific evidence for reversal of the evolutionary process?
I'd REALLY love to see that.
I assume you aren't talking about the Adam & Eve thing, because you can't really prove that.
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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 6:02 pm
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"The existence of Adam and Eve is not provable unless you believe in the bible.
I was meaning evidence for the wolf fact I provided. Although I cannot give you a resource for that as I learned about it in a book at a Creation Ministries seminar. I don't remember the book. You may be able to find something about it on the Creation Ministries website."
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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 6:06 pm
The book of genesis is not exactly scientific proof.
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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 6:12 pm
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spaceHolly Says,
"The book of Genesis has tons of scientific things that prove that it's God inspired. I can find a list if you would like."
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