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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 2:01 pm


As many of you probably know, I am starting to get quite active in social and political issues. Most of the time I am firmly behind President Bush and my Governor Schwarzenegger, but every now and then I find myself fighting not only the kook liberals but also the blind conservatives. And this is never so prevelant as one of my cottage pet peeves...illegal immigration. During the Presidential election, I was vocally upset that both Bush and Kerry waffled on the issue of illegal immigration. I decided to err on the side of Bush on this issue, because I believed he would help enforce the security of our borders. Some might even understand my anguish when I found out from some border guard friends of mine that the Border Patrol will only be getting an increase of about 200 agents. I support President Bush in most things, but I am sorely disappointed with his handling of the border issue.

Recently, California has been fighting a series of political battles over illegal immigration and its related issues. I know for a fact that the state Democratic Party will do nothing to protect the citizens of their state, but I am also starting to lose confidence in my Republican Party. I know they are a minority party, but they could at least fight a little better for the citizens of this state. Governor Schwarzenegger is doing his best to bring prosperity back to California, and for that I thank him, but he isn't Superman. I realized a few months ago that he really needed my help.

Not my help in particular, of course, but the help of civic-minded citizens who are tired of the political deadlock in the parties. And a recent incident has finally stoked the indignation of many Californians. A week ago, I recieved news from a friend about how the Hollywood elites had taken out an ad supporting giving drivers lisences (and thus other services reserved for citizens) to illegal immigration (link). The fact that much of southern California's citizenry would not accept this probably never crossed their minds. And the result is one of the sharpest spikes in activism since the 2003 recall election. And this is not activism from Republicans or Democrats, but from citizens of every stripe and political belief. And I am one of them...I have volunteered with such groups as Save Our Lisence and other party-spanning organizations. I even found I had the ability to get people to sign petitions.

In closing, you don't have to be a liberal to be an activist. All you need is the will to make your beliefs shine through, support from other concerned citizens, and (sometimes) the knowledge that not even your own party will support you.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 3:07 pm


Bush's immigration and border policy is one of the places that I too am at odds with him. I view the immigration and border issue as one of both quality of life and national security. I wish he would be stricter and less willing to compromise with his counterpart in Los Pinos on the issue. Unfortunatly I see this as the product of years of neglect of the issue of immigration. It has now reached the point I believe where the demographic changes associated with the immigration issue has forced the party to placate to this growing demographic. I've seen the left and the Democratic party as always weak-kneed on the immigration issue and it is distressing to see my party following suit. It's one of those cases where I have to vote for the candidate which is more likely to support the same positions I do in the majority of policy areas. I'm not going to find the 'perfect' candidate who represents my positions perfectly so I chose the one who is closer to mine then the other.

That doesn't mean I like it though. I and a friend of mine went to the Ayres hotel in Anaheim to sign the petition at the drive that SOL was having there which was featured on John and Ken's show on KFI 640 AM yesterday evening.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 4:45 pm


Stuff like this was the biggest reason that when I was in California I saw the Democrats and the Republicans as pretty much the same thing. I like the GOP texas platform, but I suspect your Californian one is either ignored, or bass-ackwards.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 1:55 pm


Oh, you were at the John & Ken rally also, Kazuma? I didn't see you >.< Though there were a lot of people there...I could have missed a familiar face xp (that is if you still look like you did at AnimeExpo)

Right now I see that there will be an uphill battle on illegal immigration, but that doesn't preclude concerned citizens from acting in small ways to help stop to situation. Hopefully with a concerted effort, and not a little bit of personal and group willpower, the issue can be dealt with.

Texas and California seem to be operating under two very different dynamics. California suffers from the "I'm sorry we..." contagion, while Texas is a more action-oriented society. People in California (or at least parts of it) have come to be mired in the self-loathing that has been sweeping the liberal media, making it difficult for anyone to seriously attempt fixing problems.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:05 pm


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Oh, you were at the John & Ken rally also, Kazuma? I didn't see you >.< Though there were a lot of people there...I could have missed a familiar face xp (that is if you still look like you did at AnimeExpo)


My friend and I weren't there very long. We only really stayed long enough to sign the petitions. It had been about 7:45 in the evening at that time and neither of us had dinner yet so we stopped by, signed the petitions, and went on to The Block for dinner. We were also under the impression from the broadcast that we were listening to on the way there that it was only going to be going on until 8:00.

It was indeed crowded. Had I known that you were there too or seen you I'd have made sure to say hi. smile
PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 4:35 pm


lol, well I was in the convention room next to the lobby, listening to John and Ken. I even got a free t-shirt and beach ball for having the "loudest shirt in the room" xd . I was the only person in the room wearing a beach shirt in a room of suit-wearers blaugh .

Oh, I just discovered that I now have Rush Limbaugh on my side. Rush issued warnings to the Bush administration about alienating conservatives with his positions on the budget and immigration. (link) I don't want to go as far as splitting Bush's power base like Perot, but these issues are just very important to me. I support the President on most issues, but the immigration issue is a big problem that needs to be dealt with.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:29 pm


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lol, well I was in the convention room next to the lobby, listening to John and Ken. I even got a free t-shirt and beach ball for having the "loudest shirt in the room" xd . I was the only person in the room wearing a beach shirt in a room of suit-wearers blaugh .


So there were activities in another room as well then. I wish I had known or we had stuck around long enough to find it. I had been kind of wondering where John and Ken were broadcasting from since I hadn't seen them in the lobby.

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Oh, I just discovered that I now have Rush Limbaugh on my side. Rush issued warnings to the Bush administration about alienating conservatives with his positions on the budget and immigration. (link) I don't want to go as far as splitting Bush's power base like Perot, but these issues are just very important to me. I support the President on most issues, but the immigration issue is a big problem that needs to be dealt with.


I'm not terribly worried about the power base or the Republican party, or conservatives splitting during this administration I was reading an article in the most recent The National Interest, which is a foreign policy journal targeted towards conservatives. The article, titled No Enemies on the Right, discusses three main schools of thought among conservatives in terms of foreign policy outlook: Neoconservatives, Realists, and Nationalists/Isolationists and their difference of opinions on Bush's foreign policy. Dispite the differences and critiques that Realists and Nationalists/Isolationists among the conservative camp have with the Bush adminstration's policies, Bush managed to get re-elected. It also notes that the last two times in which there were schisms among conservatives in regards to foreign policy (1976 between the Nixon and Reagan wings of the party and 1992 between Realists and Neoconservatives) that liberals were able to exploit those differences to gain office.

This time that didn't happen. Dispite differences among conservatives, many realized that they share more in common then could be offered by sideing with liberals. Dispite the characture of conservatives that some people will paint as being anti-intellectual and simply repeating what they are told, there is a good deal of difference and vibrant intellectual dialoge that takes place on the conservative/right end of the political spectrum, even among people from similar ideological branches within the right (the ongoing debate between Charles Krauthammer and Francis Fukuyama, both Neoconservatives, in the most recent few issues of The National Interest is a good example.

And this I think is a good thing. Competition causes growth and development. If there were no exchange of ideas then there would be staganation. Furthermore the differences among the right on domestic issues contributes to a further debate on those issues and prevents actions which might be rash and poorly fought out, much like the systems of checks and balances upon which our government is designed. I suppose there is a danger in the party or the support base splitting, but I think the roughest part of the road has passed: we've realized where our interests lie and that we have more in common then we do differences when it counted.

I was actually more worried about a split or break before, which would have likely changed the outcome of the elections. Now that the critical point has passed I think the likelihood of a split that would negativly affect the power base is less likely even if Republicans in Congress are less likely to give the President blank checks on areas such as immigration where there are noticeable differences of opinion among the support base.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 11:07 am


I had a chance to talk with the author of the original "drivers license" bill for about 1/2 and hour last summer. I had a great respect for him, but in the end I still decided to disagree. After hearing the State of the Union and the whole bit about temporary workers, I dont know where to look. Washington DC is leasing out the border states. The small population of conservative californians here in CA are deeply upset and have nowhere to turn. The Assembly and Senate out here are mainly Dem, and so we think we can look to the Federal level... but they sold us, and our interests out.

it's great pity

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 11:50 am


Kyoushi_HaraHara
I had a chance to talk with the author of the original "drivers license" bill for about 1/2 and hour last summer. I had a great respect for him, but in the end I still decided to disagree. After hearing the State of the Union and the whole bit about temporary workers, I dont know where to look. Washington DC is leasing out the border states. The small population of conservative californians here in CA are deeply upset and have nowhere to turn. The Assembly and Senate out here are mainly Dem, and so we think we can look to the Federal level... but they sold us, and our interests out.

it's great pity


Myself, I'm looking to The Minuteman Project to force some sense into the heads of our lawmakers and improve the INS and border patrol.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 4:57 pm


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Kyoushi_HaraHara
I had a chance to talk with the author of the original "drivers license" bill for about 1/2 and hour last summer. I had a great respect for him, but in the end I still decided to disagree. After hearing the State of the Union and the whole bit about temporary workers, I dont know where to look. Washington DC is leasing out the border states. The small population of conservative californians here in CA are deeply upset and have nowhere to turn. The Assembly and Senate out here are mainly Dem, and so we think we can look to the Federal level... but they sold us, and our interests out.

it's great pity


Myself, I'm looking to The Minuteman Project to force some sense into the heads of our lawmakers and improve the INS and border patrol.
I love the idea of taking our protection into our own hands. At least SOMEONE would be accountable. I'm not sure what the border work entails, but it sounds very patriotic.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:05 pm


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I had a chance to talk with the author of the original "drivers license" bill for about 1/2 and hour last summer. I had a great respect for him, but in the end I still decided to disagree. After hearing the State of the Union and the whole bit about temporary workers, I dont know where to look. Washington DC is leasing out the border states. The small population of conservative californians here in CA are deeply upset and have nowhere to turn. The Assembly and Senate out here are mainly Dem, and so we think we can look to the Federal level... but they sold us, and our interests out.

it's great pity


Myself, I'm looking to The Minuteman Project to force some sense into the heads of our lawmakers and improve the INS and border patrol.
I love the idea of taking our protection into our own hands. At least SOMEONE would be accountable. I'm not sure what the border work entails, but it sounds very patriotic.


I would volunteer but I can't afford it. As their site says, it's in no way funded...volunteers have to provide their own transportation, supplies (read: food) and such.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:41 pm


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I had a chance to talk with the author of the original "drivers license" bill for about 1/2 and hour last summer. I had a great respect for him, but in the end I still decided to disagree. After hearing the State of the Union and the whole bit about temporary workers, I dont know where to look. Washington DC is leasing out the border states. The small population of conservative californians here in CA are deeply upset and have nowhere to turn. The Assembly and Senate out here are mainly Dem, and so we think we can look to the Federal level... but they sold us, and our interests out.

it's great pity


Myself, I'm looking to The Minuteman Project to force some sense into the heads of our lawmakers and improve the INS and border patrol.
I love the idea of taking our protection into our own hands. At least SOMEONE would be accountable. I'm not sure what the border work entails, but it sounds very patriotic.


I would volunteer but I can't afford it. As their site says, it's in no way funded...volunteers have to provide their own transportation, supplies (read: food) and such.
I'd be too worried and scared really. Maybe I'd just pack lunches for those involved. ^.^;;; I'd love to be someone with binoculars, but I'd hate a confrontation.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:26 am


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Kyoushi_HaraHara
I had a chance to talk with the author of the original "drivers license" bill for about 1/2 and hour last summer. I had a great respect for him, but in the end I still decided to disagree. After hearing the State of the Union and the whole bit about temporary workers, I dont know where to look. Washington DC is leasing out the border states. The small population of conservative californians here in CA are deeply upset and have nowhere to turn. The Assembly and Senate out here are mainly Dem, and so we think we can look to the Federal level... but they sold us, and our interests out.

it's great pity


Myself, I'm looking to The Minuteman Project to force some sense into the heads of our lawmakers and improve the INS and border patrol.
I love the idea of taking our protection into our own hands. At least SOMEONE would be accountable. I'm not sure what the border work entails, but it sounds very patriotic.


I would volunteer but I can't afford it. As their site says, it's in no way funded...volunteers have to provide their own transportation, supplies (read: food) and such.
I'd be too worried and scared really. Maybe I'd just pack lunches for those involved. ^.^;;; I'd love to be someone with binoculars, but I'd hate a confrontation.


It's not a confrontation thing...more of a recon thing. Spot them, count them, report them. The point of the project is to make it apparent to the public and the government that it is an epidemic, and we are not happily standing by and letting it happen without letting our voice be heard.

Besides, I'm the kind who if I had the money for a handgun would conceal and carry. Unfortunately, open carry is illegal in Texas.
PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 9:06 am


Yep, if I had the funding to be able to do so, I would volunteer. Unfortunately, that pesky work business has to be dealt with first.... sweatdrop

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 5:27 pm


I met Mr. Gilchrist (The Minuteman Project's coordinator) at the KFI rally two weeks ago. I offered to donate $100 to the cause, but he declined. He said they were non-profit and that my emotional and moral support was enough, though he said I could donate desert survival gear if I wanted. I donated three canteens and a few other necessities. I wish those gentlemen luck.

Oh! Did anyone see what happened in the House of representatives today? They passed a bill that would ossibly deny driver's lisences to illegal immigrants and terrorists. I knew Sensenbrenner would come through for us ^_^ Now all I have to do is call my Senators and Bill Frist, get this pushed through.
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