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 Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:18 am
Because of some discussion, these rules are suspended for the time being. But don't think you don't need to start participating now, just because there won't be penalties. The rules Flame enacted are still technically in place. Which gives me the ability to make NPCs of kids whose parents have not RPed in over a year. I will, however, take no action until early February, after I hire some artists.
Changes are being made at DT and we are assessing the level of commitment in our current members.
As I'm sure most of you know already, Flame has left Gaia entirely and we need to address her disappearance as well as others in order to keep the shop going.
If you are planning to continue to participate at DT, you will need to be regularly active. If you are not active, posting either in the guild or shop thread at least once a month, your growth/children will be suspended.
If you are planning to be active but are on a hiatus, please inform us. You must check in every other month or so to assure us that you intend to come back. If you do not and you go exactly three months with no posts in the shop thread or guild, your growth/children will be suspended.
Please keep in mind that we're not requiring you to do a set amount of RP in a certain amount of time, we are only requiring that you are at least active within the shop thread. Otherwise, we have no way of knowing if owners intend to continue on with the shop.
If your growth/children are suspended, you have three months to give us your reasons for the absence and post in the shop thread. (Reasons do not have to be given to the entire shop, of course, you need only PM Dr Ronchas.) Once you do this, your growth/children will no longer be suspended and you'll have to follow all previous rules. You will always be notified of a suspension status. If three months pass and we don't hear from you at all, you will be considered missing. If someone is gone for a year and returns randomly, we'll need to discuss what should be done, probably a returning prompt or something like that, especially if you have a partner that was left behind.
If you do not intend to participate any longer in DT, please inform us of this and we will remove you to the missing/deceased/separated part of the owners list. If you give no in character reason, you'll receive the listing 'player(s) left'.
If your partner is missing or does not intend to RP further, please send us a PM letting us know what you'd like to do. If you have no idea, send us a PM anyway, and we can discuss it. This includes all children shared with Flame.
All rules listed are considered active as of today. The one/three months (depending on status: active/hiatus) start today, November 8th, 2009. Please post here if you want to be considered on Hiatus.
If you have a problem with any of this announcement, please PM Dr Ronchas or post here to discuss it. Thank you.
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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 11:02 am
I wasn't aware that the shop had gotten back on its feet, so I apologize for not being around. The last I knew, there was an attempt and I'd checked in several times only for posts to be massively spaced out as if the shop had dropped. It was only yesterday that I saw that there was actually a growth - so a massive announcement about getting back on its feet and the shop's continuation would have been immensely helpful, at least for me, in expediting this process?
I apologize if that sounds horrible. I don't mean that in a snappy way or anything, as its my fault for not checking more periodically. However, I've also been busy in general, and largely absent from Gaia for personal reasons, as well as academic reasons - which I think has been mostly clear considering I haven't, had, like... Fifty posts a day or anything in the last few months. XD Maybe one or two brief posts, and they're picking up now, so I'll say that I'll be around more now that I know things are going to be moving along.
I'll try to keep up with the post every month and making notes about when I need to go on hiatus. Certain periods of the school year are going to put me on a semi-hiatus? Like I don't need to go on a hiatus now, but a semi-hiatus would be nice just so its known that its kind of the busier half of my school quarter which means ... Tut, tut, tut ... Projects out the ears!
I can post and try to keep up, but if I disappear off the planet for a week, two weeks, its either for things I don't want to talk about (we'll label these as 'lol, family -cough-') or because my projects swallowed me up for a little bit.
I actually have two accounts here. I'd love to keep them both active, but one of them was partnered with Karma Monster and she's since kind of disappeared and has been gone for over a year, you know? If you want to close that account (Anik and Ellington), it'd probably be a good idea. I'd love to continue with just Elligton and assuming Anik is missing or something, but that's on your end. If not, though, its pretty much a lost cause considering I haven't seen or heard from Karma in ages. The other account with Liwanu and Lokni, I definitely want to keep. o3o But that's explanatory. I wanted to ask what kind of action would be taken with the former account more so, simply because its been woefully inactive forever just because Karma disappeared and thus no Anik.
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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 12:36 pm
I promise that I still want my girlies, but I will probably need to apply for haitus status. Hopefully things will clear up in a few weeks, but I will try my best to pop in from time to time to update my status/reply to my rps. I've already taken full ownership of my account during Flame's absence, and since I've already talked this over with the owner(s?) I will assume that I do not need to PM the mule about this.
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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:49 pm
Noz and I will be keeping Gideon and Zavier, in fact, they're rather close to growing, I believe. I am, however, on haitus.
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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 3:07 pm
@ Ieeko, I completely understand the week to three of disappearance that might occur, that stuff happens to me all the time. xd
As for your first paragraph... xd Yeah, I didn't know what would work and I've given up on what I was trying twice. I hope this'll be the one that works. 3nodding
And as for the Anik and Ellington file, you're perfectly allowed to continue since Karma is pretty much gone. 3nodding If she ever returns, she'll be allowed to pick up from wherever you are, but it's doubtful that'll ever happen. sweatdrop
@ Twindy & Indu, I'll mark that you're both on hiatus. wink
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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:12 pm
HEY SUP I'M HERE and only minorly crazy and s**t.
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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:16 pm
I don't think it's right to make your customers pay a fee after a hiatus/suspension to continue their appointment that they've already paid for (or even those who are free) and it is also against Gaia's rules to enforce rules retroactively in shops. So, effectively, your rule can only cover new appointments as of Nov 8, 2009.
I understand the need to get activity in the shop and the thread, but since there were no such rules when we signed up for the shop, we're not forced to follow them.
I hate thread activity rules and I know a lot of people who do too. I tend to stay away from shops with those, as do many other B&Cers. I'd be careful of those rules, if I were you, because it may actually turn people away. I'd hate to see you push people away from the shop which has a nice, fun concept.
Anyway. That's just my two cents. I am in the same boat as Ieeko at the moment, time wise.
Also, I had something worked out with Flame about my account, and I'm not sure if that has any record on the mule or not.
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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:20 pm
Indubitably Noz and I will be keeping Gideon and Zavier, in fact, they're rather close to growing, I believe. I am, however, on haitus. This. Same with Ieeko with the lack of time. 40+ hours of work a week, 4 classes, several paper/projects due AND NaNo going down = hectic busyness. That said, I also thought this shop was dead. ... For the same reasons. And props to Kyri, I agree. My .02$
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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:32 am
Hey same bidness everyone's feeling. I've been keeping an eye out for the shop and suchwhat, but it seems over the course of a day it regained so much life. That being said I am happy and totally want to pursue actually getting out kidlets. I know Tempest is busy with college and I myself am on the premedical track along side with being an unpaid Army Cadet, I honestly don't get more than 4 hours of sleep a night. On top of all of this my funding for school is falling through so I probably need to pick up another job.... with what time I don't know. Have they invented the 26 hour day yet?
For all intensive purposes I'll need to hiatus at least until finals are through. Organic Chemistry is a be-otch. :<
Also I totally agree with Kyribird, it seems a little too disciplinary and poor form to make patrons pay for inactivity. The whole paying business is compensation for the art and has always been in the breedables.
Otherwise, I hope your autumn has been full of fun and cheer. Not to mention the sweet bits of Halloween.
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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:39 am
@ Kyribird, Well, I guess that was a rule I made in order to allow people to get their kids back after losing them. But Flame did have the rule in there that you have to RP your kid, she just never made any specific rules for it.
As for your agreement with Flame, just lemme know what it is. There is no record left on the mule, but I trust you to tell the truth.
And as for the retroactive rules, this shop will die if nothing is done. This is one of my last ditch efforts to get people back into it. I tried tons of other things... Please show me directly where that is stated and I'll modify it for those who got accounts before Nov. 8th. Nevermind you're correct. But technically the person holding that contract is completely gone, so I'm not too sure what all the technical rules should be. sweatdrop So, I guess something should be done for those who aren't willing to follow these rules. There are current owners who were perfectly willing to follow these rules...
But seriously, without some activity, this place has already been going down the toilet. sweatdrop
As for the time limit thing... there was discussion about it being more strict, but I really believe that it's pretty tame. One post every month or one every three months for people who don't think they have a lot of time?
I guess if everybody's fine with allowing the shop to fade into non-existence, that's your prerogative. sweatdrop
In order to run this shop, I'm getting rid of about half of the RP-required breedables I've got right now, just so I can manage a shop that hadn't been mine to begin with. (Don't worry, I got permission and all.)
We're just attempting to asses the level of devotion in our current members. We're not requiring frequent RP, just a three to four word post letting us know you're checking in. sweatdrop
If you have problems with more than just the technicality of adding these rules, please let me know.
As for the pay after being gone for 4-6 months, I'll remove it. But that technically means something else will have to happen in order for someone to get their kids back if they're gone for several months. sweatdrop Usually if someone loses their breedables, they've got no way to get them back as they usually get resold in most shops. I'll instead add a note that something will be discussed if someone is gone for more than a year without notice, how's that sound?
And I'll add a status that means the person intends to be gone for an extended period of time. We just want to know who's going to care about Double Trouble, and who's not. Can you really blame us?
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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:04 pm
I definitely care about DT and do plan on being active when I have time. Right now I'm moving across the country in 4 months, planning my marriage, working on health things, and working my butt off to make ends meet on bills and expenses and being around a lot hasn't been something I'm able to do.
No, Flame didn't put any guidelines for how much you had to RP except for 'one year from your last post' which is definitely more than reasonable (though, admittedly, with the deathly lull from people going MIA in staff, I understand the lack of participation from guardians and am glad that we get a net). As for the contract, we made a contract with the shop, not the owners, so as far as I know it stands and you still cannot apply rules retroactively.
I totally understand the need to get life in the shop. Trust me on that *Eyes GoTP* But forcing rules on people isn't really going to encourage it. Growings, RP events/contests, and owner being around is often the best way to do it (I notice more people come sniffing around during growing times anyway) in my experiences.
I think something being discussed in absence of a year without notice is perfectly reasonable. Though being as the 'pets' in this shop are biological children of people's OCs, taking them away/rehoming them isn't really an option, yeah? Maybe try doing a reward system for those who are active to encourage, rather than punishments?
Helpful I hope! Uh...I'll PM you about the thing with my account when I get a few minutes to coherently type it out.
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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:46 pm
Fair enough. She said one year though? And some owners have not posted in more than that. I guess I'll go by that guideline then.
But if you've got ideas for a reward system. I kinda figured growth is supposed to be significant reward enough. If more than half of the accounts listed are inactive, I think that's a bit of a problem. sweatdrop
As for the owners being not around... technically, the owners will probably never be around again. I don't own the shop, and I don't ever plan to make that claim, hence these rules being very negotiable.
I can't find that one year rule...
By all the rules in place now, someone can get a kid, never post for 3 years then come back and decide they want to participate again. Is the general consensus that that kind of thing should be allowed?
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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 4:57 pm
Quote: If one parent disappears I will expect the other parent to compensate. If both parents disappear (or there is only one parent) I am willing to wait a year from your last post. I do not want to take twins prematurely, as this will stop the character entirely. There is no re-homing at Double Trouble. There will be a hiatus thread in the guild though and if you post you're leaving in the thread your twins will not be taken from you unless you state otherwise. Yeah, growth is a significant reward. But punishments don't usually have much of an effect either. I think since we're dealing with OCs and their spawn, it would be wrong to take them away in any way. Put on hiatus or whatever, yeah, but if the parents can suddenly be active again, I don't think anything should stop them from doing so.
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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:03 am
Then there is 0 incentive to even stay around the shop. That's what I wanted, not RPing posts. Just show up once every 3 months. gonk
I suppose I can refix that to be every 3 months for everyone and you don't have to post at all if you're officially on hiatus. But I thought once every THREE MONTHS was kinda fair? sweatdrop
Maybe I'm just taking it a little too personally. sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:37 am
I'm new new so I don't need to post in here technically speaking just as of yet.
But my understanding of your rules Japi is if I just say once a month (since I'm not on hiatus) shove my face into the shop and say... "HI I"M HERE" I get to keep my pets right?
Japi at the very least make a list of the people who haven't even been around for a year, if those were the original rules then at least you can you deal with that.
I'm sorry that little thing about contacts was pulled on you, (even though it is true). I think nothing specific was made about rp requirement times because there's a lot of requirements for child growth so I'm guessing the last owner thought that would be enough.
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