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LimeIzMyFaveColor

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 6:34 pm


political leader? I'm not going to major in political science, but it be great if I can become a politician after i finished my medical job. Like instead of retiring, I become president or something haha.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 7:36 am


Dude, as an atheist, you have no hope. =(

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 11:01 am


Thomas Jefferson was a deist ...
and wasn't Abraham Lincoln an atheist?
PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 12:45 pm


The only hope us atheists have in this day of age to become a political leader is to stay in the closet (or just pretend to be a theist and pull a 'FOOLED YA') and come out right when you're as high as you've planned to go on the political charts.

We're a simple outnumbered minority, if anything the only followers that we'd attract would be special interest groups....you don't rise in power with those guys.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 6:06 pm


i could simply say that i'm nonreligious or not even mention my religious preference.

Well if I was a candidate for president.
[well for one, I be considered a dark horse ... prolly]

Here are my stances: (if i had ran in the past election)
1.) seperation of church and state [ok maybe this might tick the conservatives]

2.) legalize same-sex marriage [tick them off again]

3.) legalize marijuana [i dont smoke but i think it be a nice revenue for the govt.]

4.) spend less fighting wars and build better relations with other countries. (like what Hillary Clinton did for Asia)

5.) I don't want more government. I want to reduce it. I want to reduce government spending.

6.) I'm not so big on Universal Health Care; but welfare and medicare/medicaid is fine.

7.) I want to help businesses and the common man. [reduce govt regulations]

8.) Keep abortion, stem-cell research

9.) Against the Death Penalty

10.) I probably run for the Democratic Side (I'm socially liberal and fiscally left-of-center/moderate)

((do you got any questions/concerns??))

I like to know the PEOPLE's CONCERNS!
PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 6:41 pm


you have no hope(i know from personal experience)
all atheists(after the cold war) are stereotyped as "evil communists"(not that im against communism)
and trust me
theres no way a communist is going to be elected(or someone portrayed as a communist)

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:04 pm


well in the future
all of those old conservatives will die off.
i'm not a communist
but i see what you see mean.

damn if i was to get elected:
I be the first atheist (i think?), first asian (i'm 1/2 i do believe), first bisexual to become president.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:40 pm


LimeIzMyFaveColor
well in the future
all of those old conservatives will die off.

yeah, but their kids will be conservative, and their kids will inherit all of their power though:
1. inheritance money
and
2. rigged elections

basically, the way i see it, our only hope is revolution

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:47 pm


Well, think of it this way: did the Klu Klux Klan die off?



It's become a minority of individuals, but it still exists today.
I believe this will be the future of the conservative "red scare" race.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:13 pm


There's only been one openly atheist congressman in The House of Representatives in the history of the United States, and he's from California. And he only came out recently; people thought he was religious when they elected him the first 17 times. Recent polls show that atheists are the least trusted group in the U.S. You're more likely to be elected as a black homosexual Muslim woman.

Believe me; I used to have similar aspirations. I still would love to go into politics. But you'd have to start attending a church now so you'll look like you've been religious for most of your life when you run. I wasn't willing to live that lie.

But if I agreed with your politics, you'd have my vote. You might as well run, anyway.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:38 pm


It's possible that you might be able to win a senator or congressman position as a democrat. I'm pretty sure you would be fighting a losing battle running as an atheist republican though. Hell, it's even possible for you to make it as a governor. Jesse Ventura was governor of my state for a while and he is an openly-admitted atheist. Of course, what probably helped him overcome this was his wrestling and Hollywood fame.

My suggestions to you if you decide to run are:

1. Keep a low profile about your atheism. Just don't discuss religion at any point during your campaign.
2. Run democrat or independent.
3. Don't run negative ads; only respond to negative ads that are false or misleading about you. This makes your opponent look that much more stupid.
4. Going door-to-door in neighborhoods helps.
5. You have no hope for the presidency. Don't waste your time with it.

Other points to consider:

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6.) I'm not so big on Universal Health Care; but welfare and medicare/medicaid is fine.

What's wrong with the public option? There are a lot of people who are denied coverage for pre-existing conditions, and in many cases even when people can afford healthcare and are covered, the insurance company will find a loophole to avoid paying for costs even when the individual is supposed to be insured. Fact is, we've seen much more positive statistics regarding healthcare coverage and expenses coming out of European nations which are mostly socialized healthcare. Plus, the public option would reduce national deficits according to the Congressional Budget Office estimates.

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7.) I want to help businesses and the common man. [reduce govt regulations]

If you want to help businesses and the common man, you would know that always reducing government regulations doesn't accomplish that. The point of regulations is to protect businesses and individuals from being unfairly misused or abused. It's because of government regulations that people don't get fired from their jobs anymore just because they had an injury and needed a couple weeks to recover, and it's because of deregulation that banks were allowed to abuse the system and gamble with money they didn't actually have which got us into the economic mess we're in today. Corporatist politicians who are getting paid by lobbyists have been very good at misleading people to believe that less government regulation means more freedom when in reality it means more freedom for corporations to abuse you and your money.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:52 pm


i really hate when ppl are like atheists are bad when there were so many like bad ppl who were very religious and s**t i mean come on now thats just an excuse for catholics and christians to think they are way better than everyone else i hate that -__-

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:34 am


Haha, I think we agree on all of your social points and disagree on all of your financial points.

I am extremely socially liberal and an economic socialist (or communist? What's the difference?).

But I know no one is ever going to run under that ticket. I would probably vote for you just on social liberalism and atheism.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:45 am


alteregoivy
Haha, I think we agree on all of your social points and disagree on all of your financial points.

I am extremely socially liberal and an economic socialist (or communist? What's the difference?).

But I know no one is ever going to run under that ticket. I would probably vote for you just on social liberalism and atheism.

communists are more for violent revolution and its a more extreme form of socialism

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:45 am


MiniSiets
It's possible that you might be able to win a senator or congressman position as a democrat. I'm pretty sure you would be fighting a losing battle running as an atheist republican though. Hell, it's even possible for you to make it as a governor. Jesse Ventura was governor of my state for a while and he is an openly-admitted atheist. Of course, what probably helped him overcome this was his wrestling and Hollywood fame.

Trust me, If I ever run I wont run as a republican.

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My suggestions to you if you decide to run are:

1. Keep a low profile about your atheism. Just don't discuss religion at any point during your campaign.
2. Run democrat or independent.
3. Don't run negative ads; only respond to negative ads that are false or misleading about you. This makes your opponent look that much more stupid.
4. Going door-to-door in neighborhoods helps.
5. You have no hope for the presidency. Don't waste your time with it.

Haha I have no hope for presidency. At least you're blunt about it.
I think I rather be a Governor/Senator. To be a congressman, in the legislative branch, you could make laws. The president just proposes an idea for laws, but he can't make them.

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Other points to consider:

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6.) I'm not so big on Universal Health Care; but welfare and medicare/medicaid is fine.

What's wrong with the public option? There are a lot of people who are denied coverage for pre-existing conditions, and in many cases even when people can afford healthcare and are covered, the insurance company will find a loophole to avoid paying for costs even when the individual is supposed to be insured. Fact is, we've seen much more positive statistics regarding healthcare coverage and expenses coming out of European nations which are mostly socialized healthcare. Plus, the public option would reduce national deficits according to the Congressional Budget Office estimates.

I will keep this in mind. I recently heard about the bill that got passed in the House of Representatives, where people had to buy health insurance or they will be fined/jailed. Does this mean: There is going to be no more medicaid/medicare? And I don't think the government should force the people to do such a thing. I think the people should have the option of buying the government's health insurance if they want to (is that that the public option)

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7.) I want to help businesses and the common man. [reduce govt regulations]

If you want to help businesses and the common man, you would know that always reducing government regulations doesn't accomplish that. The point of regulations is to protect businesses and individuals from being unfairly misused or abused. It's because of government regulations that people don't get fired from their jobs anymore just because they had an injury and needed a couple weeks to recover, and it's because of deregulation that banks were allowed to abuse the system and gamble with money they didn't actually have which got us into the economic mess we're in today. Corporatist politicians who are getting paid by lobbyists have been very good at misleading people to believe that less government regulation means more freedom when in reality it means more freedom for corporations to abuse you and your money.


Maybe I have been misleaded? I will keep this mind. I am taking Macroecnomics and my teacher loves captialism and the free market.
I personally am leaning towards the free market but with some government intervention. If this was a political spectrum on economical issues: I be at the center.
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